[Fis] With or without math?

[Louis Kauffman]

I never said Nature engages in deduction, except in her variously distributed minds.
(Put this to next week if necessary.)

> On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:08 AM, Stuart Kauffman <stukauffman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lou and Krassimir. And/But….
> 
> Living systems are not formal deductions. Living systems do thermodynamic work to construct themselves as physical entities. The evolving biosphere really is a non-deducible propagating construction, not an entailed deduction. Mere formal deduction constructs nothing physical, que no? Living cells are not merely passive cognizes. As open non-equilibrium chemical reaction systems they must eat or die.
> BES
> Stu
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Louis Kauffman <loukau at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Krassimir,
>> Yes. With!
>> But if ‘It from Bit” means a participatory universe as with Wheeler, then we need to have 
>> FormalMath+Cognizers
>> to understand and work with it.
>> In fact Mathematics as a Way of Thinking
>> is indeed Formality+Cognition.
>> Best,
>> Lou
>> P.S. I have a slideshow related to this theme. I will send it to Krassimir. If anyone else would like to see it, just write privately to me at
>> loukau at gmail.com
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