[Fis] NY Lecture closing & New discussion session

[Pedro C. Marijuán]

Dear All,

First, our thanks to *Stuart Kauffman*, we have enjoyed a great New Year 
Lecture.
Along the Lecture it was suggested by Stuart himself and by Gordana to 
continue with a presentation by Carlos Gershenson.
Here it is:

Title: *Can we go beyond the limits of formal systems? *
Presenter: *Carlos Gershenson *(Centro de Ciencias de la Complejidad, 
UNAM, México).


Tomorrow our colleague *Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic* will post a brief 
presentation on the topic and the lecturer.
And afterwards, Carlos will send his kickoff text at his earlier 
convenience.
Some new colleagues have joined the list these days. They are very 
welcome to our debates.

All the best--Pedro

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El 31/01/2024 a las 17:43, Stuart Kauffman escribió:
>
> To FIS Jan 31
>
> Hello to All,
>
> I have very much enjoyed the past month and all the ideas flooding 
> back and forth. If I may, a few summary comments:
>
> I ask you all to please focus on “Is the emergence of life an expected 
> phase transition in the evolving universe?” Here two aspects seem 
> important in a discussion on information:
>
> 1)It is true that a living cells, a Kantian Whole with Catalytic, 
> Constraint and Spatial Closure, specifically constructs itself.  There 
> really is no “separate” set of embodied instructions with dual uses as 
> is in von Neumann’s self - reproducing automaton. Yet Information as 
> “encoded bit” descriptions of a Mondrian painting also is true. The 
> encoded description can be sent by email and used to construct a copy 
> of the picture and the encoded description in bits can be copied and 
> stored.  These two are not the same thing. Both seem to be 
> information. So, what do we mean by “information”?
>
> 2)The Third Transition in Science also seems well founded. The same 
> /object/ has different subsets of causal properties, any one of which 
> might become the basis of a new function arising by Darwinian 
> preadaptation. This drives the /open - ended/ evolution of the 
> biosphere. This jury rigging is not algorithmic. No formal system, 
> e.g. computational Artificial Life, or algorithmic computation on a 
> non-embodied Universal Turing Machine can achieve open ended 
> evolution. Yet A Llife and the Mind as a Computer are powerful 
> metaphors. Both are wrong. The evolving biosphere is not a computation 
> at all, it is a propagating non deducible construction entailed by no 
> law. General Artificial Intelligence seems ruled out.
>
> 3)We humans jury rig, so do Caledonian Crows. Jury rigging is not 
> algorithmic. How do we and crows do it? My own hunch is that qualia 
> arise by collapse of the wave function to a single state that “I” 
> experience as a qualia. Collapse of the wave function is also not a 
> deduction. I bet this is related to non-algorithmic jury rigging.
>
> 4)If mind and consciousness are related to acausal collapse of the 
> wave function, how does that bear on “information”? I want to say, my 
> qualiae ARE information about my world. With my Responsible Free Will 
> I choose to act in my world. This why mind evolved.
>
> Very good wishes to you All and warm thanks.
>
> Stu Kauffman
>



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