[Fis] Book Presentation. The Interpersonal domain

Mariusz Stanowski stanowskimariusz at wp.pl
Sun Apr 24 10:52:51 CEST 2022


Dear Joseph,

You've wrtten: "such as information processes, has both an ontic and an 
epistemic component"

If we introduce a distinction between ontic and epistemic then we are 
assuming a dualistic view in advance, which, for example, I am not in 
favor of.

Best regards

Mariusz



W dniu 2022-04-24 o 09:53, joe.brenner at bluewin.ch pisze:
>
> Dear Friends
>
> My tentative conclusion regarding the consensus referred to in recent 
> notes is that if it exists, it  is doing more harm than good. I 
> therefore propose “bracketing” it, following the suggestion of Husserl 
> for human experience, but with a different objective. I would replace 
> the current consensus by a recognition that any reasonable description 
> of complex phenomena, such as information processes, has both an ontic 
> and an epistemic component. These components are not static but change 
> and evolve. The epistemic component is usually recognized and 
> accepted. That it is accompanied dynamically by a physical, energetic 
> change. The extrapolation of physical properties to cognitive is 
> obviously considered in neurology but not adequately in philosophy.
>
> A counter-theory to the above might be that the suggested 
> ontic-epistemic “partnership” is irrelevant to information. All you 
> need is semiotics and communication theory. I would be curious to know 
> where the group comes out on this point.
>
> (Karl, 14/04) The hypothesis of common-different, attraction-repulsion 
> is a really good one and should be followed-up.
>
> (Pedro, 18/, 04) In any case, co-ligation of disciplines is a tough 
> matter, not very well solved/articulated as yet.
>
> (Mariusz, 19/04) Energy is not a metaphor but a physical value.
>
> (Karl, 21/04) The main point is that art is interpersonally 
> communicable, and by this criterion can be shown to be part of 
> objective reality.
>
> (Joseph, 21/04) Working backwards, intersubjective intentionality, to 
> the extent that it is expressed in human beings has a real existence 
> and must be considered cognitively objective as well as subjective 
> accordingly.
>
> (Loet, 22/0)4 The human carriers live in the tension between potential 
> and actual.
>
> These are all logical statements in Logic Reality. Together, they add 
> up to a "bracketing" of an unwarranted objective-subjective dichotomy, 
> which talks directly to Loet's next to last sentence (/q.v./).
>
> Thank you and best wishes,
>
> Joseph
>
>     ----Message d'origine----
>     De : loet at leydesdorff.net
>     Date : 22/04/2022 - 08:05 (CEST)
>     À : joe.brenner at bluewin.ch, r.karl.javorszky at gmail.com,
>     fis at listas.unizar.es
>     Objet : Re: [Fis] Book Presentation. The Interpersonal domain
>
>     Dear Joe and colleagues:
>
>>     I am not sure where the error lies here, but Loet seems to have
>>     taken a quite limited view of the reality of the interpersonal
>>     domain. It does not exist like a table, but there are other
>>     options which give it objective properties other than as a pure
>>     "construct".
>     I reacted primarily to an assumed consensus.
>
>     I did not say that these constructs are "pure constructs": the
>     networks can be considered as observable retention. However, our
>     sense and communication of beauty and our thoughts are not are not
>     objective. I don't consider this as a "limited view of the reality
>     of the interpersonal domain". On the contrary, the interpersonal
>     domain is much richer than its objectively observable instantiations.
>
>>     The chief one of these for me are the potentialities in a process
>>     view of nature. The inclusion of potentiality in the description
>>     of the evolution of natural processes enables a clear connection
>>     to the potential properties of information - those that are
>>     absent, exactly in Terry Deacon's term.
>     Yes, the absent options can be measured as redundancy. I asked you
>     before whether you would agree. There is a finite number of
>     alternatives in the imagination. You call this potentiality if I
>     correctly understand.
>
>>     Working backwards, intersubjective intentionality, to the extent
>>     that it is expressed in human beings has a real existence and
>>     must be considered cognitively objective as well as subjective
>>     accordingly.
>     I don't agree with this inference; it entails a positivistic turn.
>     The word combination "cognitively objective" may be the problem.
>     Res cogitans is different from res extensa. Therefore, we can test
>     hypotheses in terms of observed versus expected. Without such a
>     design, the knowledge generated remains subjective.
>
>     "expressed in human beings" reduces the communication to behavior
>     in an objectivistic reality. The issue is "what is expressed," and
>     "what is evolving"? (Boulding). The human carriers live in the
>     tension between potential and actual. "Living" is biological and
>     not specifically human.
>
>     Best, Loet
>
>     PS. Stan: it seems to me that we more or less agree.  L.
>
>>     As some of you know, I have referred frequently to the reality of
>>     potentiality in gravitation, chemical reactions
>>     (oxidation/reduction potential), and cognition. The role of such
>>     aspects of reality seems to me to have been ignored or
>>     trivialized, but I think that many of our recurrent problems
>>     might benefit from their inclusion in the debate.
>     We need to address redundancy generated by the looping of
>     information when provided with meaning. Otherwise, these ignored
>     aspects remain subject of philosophical (pre-paradigmatic)
>     speculation.
>
>>     Best regards,
>>     Joseph
>>
>>         ----Message d'origine----
>>         De : loet at leydesdorff.net
>>         Date : 21/04/2022 - 12:30 (CEST)
>>         À : karl.javorszky at gmail.com, fis at listas.unizar.es
>>         Objet : Re: [Fis] Book Presentation. Emotions
>>
>>         Dear Karl and colleagues,
>>
>>         Before you conclude to consensus, perhaps, a bit of error
>>         should be removed:
>>
>>>         Pedro’s story about the empathic, nonverbal communication
>>>         happening between humans, who share each other’s emotional
>>>         state, drives a point home that is clearly observable in a
>>>         fashion where one can relate his experiences and be sure
>>>         that others will understand him. The main point is that *art
>>>         is interpersonally communicable, *and by this criterium can
>>>         be shown to be a part of objective reality.
>>>
>>         I don't think so: It is not "objective reality" but
>>         "intersubjective intentionality." This has huge consequences.
>>
>>>         (We refer to the agreement that if a concept is referable to
>>>         interpersonally and the participants agree on what they have
>>>         experienced in a common fashion, that concept has an
>>>         inter-individual existence, which is then by definition a
>>>         part of the objective reality.)
>>>
>>         The interpersonal domain does not "exist" in the sense that a
>>         table may exist. It remains a construct. These constructs
>>         have the status of hypotheses.  They can be tested against
>>         observations of things which may exist.
>>
>>         Best, Loet
>>
>>
>>         *_______________*
>>
>>         *Loet Leydesdorff*
>>
>>         *
>>         *
>>
>>         *"The Evolutionary Dynamics of Discusive Knowledge"
>>         <https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5>(Open
>>         Access)*
>>
>>         Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
>>
>>         Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
>>
>>         loet at leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/
>>
>>         http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en
>>         <http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en>
>>
>>         ORCID: http://orcid.org/0000-0002-7835-3098;
>>
>>
>>>
>>>         *Examples *abound, where signs and symbols are understood
>>>         interpersonally in a common fashion. Human new-borns share
>>>         the instinctive ability to recognise the optical picture of
>>>         a smiley (😊), and of the pitch of the human voice (they
>>>         prefer alto to soprano to baritone to bass). We use the term
>>>         ‘/supra-normal stimuli/’ to refer to such constellations of
>>>         stimuli that appear to be hard-wired into our genetic
>>>         instinctive predispositions. Animals are evidently in
>>>         possession of large inventories of potential supra-normal
>>>         stimuli (‘triggering inputs’).
>>>
>>>         The *hypothesis *is that there exist structures
>>>         (constellations of facts) in Nature which evolution has made
>>>         use of to select those individuals which recognise such to
>>>         their advantage. These structures are a) communicable
>>>         inter-individually, b) describable by means of a language
>>>         that is independent of its speaker: that is, such impression
>>>         patterns are objectively existing. Art is a different name
>>>         for supra-normal stimuli.
>>>
>>>         *Where does art begin* and how does art differ to a random
>>>         collection of facts? For formal reasons, one should include
>>>         sunshine among the constituents of art, as evidenced by the
>>>         heliotaxia of sunflowers. It is evident, that supra-normal
>>>         stimuli, that is: art, can come in a wide variety of
>>>         articulations, be it the mating dance of cranes, the melody
>>>         of frogs’ chants, the form of nests built by weaver birds or
>>>         the color patterns of octopus. (If memory serves right, some
>>>         50 years ago, girls had a tendency of emitting a fragrance
>>>         that caused the writer of these lines to want to be near them.)
>>>
>>>         *Art is a variation on a theme *by Nature, where there
>>>         exists an underlying theme (the idealised target value) to
>>>         which the actual performance comes near, nearer or smack in
>>>         the ideal centre. We suppose that there exists an ideal form
>>>         for performing the artwork (the ultimate Song of A Lonely
>>>         Frog, an optimal Hole in A Tree to Invite Females to Lay
>>>         Eggs In, etc), and that those individuals which come nearest
>>>         to the ideal variant have the best chances of progeniture.
>>>
>>>         Here again, *Discrepancies Between Ideal and Observed
>>>         Values* show us Art to be nothing different to other forms
>>>         of Information. Information is the extent of being
>>>         otherwise, and Art is in its essence nothing but a
>>>         demonstration of an Observed Value, to which we look
>>>         (imagine, project, hallucinate) into the background the
>>>         Expected Value.
>>>
>>>         The only *epistemological difficulty *comes from our
>>>         traditional cultural convention, namely that Nature – and as
>>>         such, the Background to everything and all – is *not
>>>         pre-structured.* During Renaissance, in the age of emerging
>>>         Rationality, the decision has been taken to define that
>>>         there exist no *a-priori existing structural relations
>>>         *among the concepts that we use to build up our world view.
>>>         This decision was practical and helpful at that time,
>>>         because by this cleaning of the slate we have eliminated all
>>>         superstition, anthropogenic explanations, religious
>>>         teleological systems of beliefs, witchcraft and sorcery at
>>>         the same time. Yet, it appears we have cleaned the table too
>>>         much. Leptons, quarks, charms, chemical attraction,
>>>         gravitation, etc., and also the existence of artwork in the
>>>         living subsection of Nature show that there indeed do exist
>>>         relations among logical tokens, even if we create such
>>>         logical tokens as nondescript as we can, in the form of
>>>         natural numbers. Even if we dream up a world view that is
>>>         made up of synthetic, unform, nondescript units, even in
>>>         that environment, a-priori existing relations pop up, as
>>>         soon as we do anything with them which a child would do when
>>>         bored, like ordering, sorting ad resorting these same
>>>         tokens. We cannot avoid acknowledging the existence of
>>>         a-priori relations connecting in manifold ways the tokens we
>>>         make up our world of. /(Et expellas furcam, natura recurrit.)/
>>>
>>>         //
>>>
>>>         *Summary: *Art is shown to be one of readings of the idea
>>>         that there are at least two readings of the same collection
>>>         of symbols that make up our world view. In regulation
>>>         theory, one speaks of sets of target values vs sets of
>>>         actual values. In art, the set of target values is created
>>>         by our neurology and serves as the background, to which we
>>>         relate the set of actual, observed values.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Am Mi., 20. Apr. 2022 um 17:09 Uhr schrieb Francesco Rizzo <
>>>         13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>             Dear Mauriusz,
>>>
>>>             I take the liberty of telling you that in Rizzo F., An
>>>             economy of hope for the multi-ethnic city,Franco Angeli,Milan 2007, pp. 309-313, we find paragraph 7.1 cultural
>>>             heritage between energy and
>>>
>>>             cultural heritage between energy and information. If you have the opportunity, read it and you will see how consonances there are between Yours and my thoughts.
>>>
>>>               many
>>>
>>>             see how many consonances there are between Yours and my thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Fig. 7.1
>>>
>>>             In base alla == qualsiasi cosa oscilli con frequenza n,
>>>             può presentarsi /solo/ in unità discrete di massa . Nel
>>>             mondo della natura /particelle/ e /oscillazioni di
>>>             campo/ non sono cose diverse [4; 12]/./ Nel campo
>>>             dell’economia i valori si valutano secondo le loro
>>>             differenze e variazioni, oscillazioni impropriamente
>>>             ritenute «volatilità».
>>>
>>>             Le trasformazioni della materia possono manifestare
>>>             l’energia immagazzinata al suo interno (/relatività
>>>             ristretta/). La struttura dello spazio è influenzata
>>>             dalla massa o dall’energia degli oggetti qualunque sia
>>>             la posizione in cui si collocano. Più massa e/o energia
>>>             si concentrano in un punto, più lo spazio e il tempo si
>>>             curvano intorno ad esso (/relatività generale/). Albert
>>>             Einstein intuisce con geniale fantasia (qualcuno
>>>             sostiene che egli abbia utilizzato abbondantemente il
>>>             pensiero di Henri Poincarè) che tutta la «massa-energia»
>>>             in un’area sia in relazione funzionale con lo
>>>             «spazio-tempo» vicino o, con uno schematismo simbolico,
>>>             che energia-massa = spazio-tempo. La /E/ e la /m/ di /E
>>>             /= /mּc/^2 divengono due elementi che stanno su un unico
>>>             lato di questa nuova e più profonda equazione. Tale
>>>             generalizzazione, con la stessa mediazione o finzione
>>>             simbolica, può estendersi con qualche cautela e
>>>             superando il tarlo dell’incredulità irriducibile, alla
>>>             formula di capitalizzazione /V /= /R_n ּ/1//r/ legata da
>>>             un’appassionante associazione isomorfica con l’equazione
>>>             della relatività ristretta. Anzi, l’isomorfismo
>>>             fisico-economico delle due formule viene convalidato e
>>>             reso più convincente proprio da questa interpretazione
>>>             estensiva che dà ampiezza ed applicazione superiore alla
>>>             generalizzazione, assegnando allo spazio-tempo una
>>>             funzione di cerniera epistemica tra le due accoppiate:
>>>             valore-energia (monetaria) dell’economia e
>>>             materia-energia (fisica) della natura. Si può scrivere
>>>             quindi: /R_n / = /Vּr /= energia-massa = spazio-tempo =
>>>             /mּc/^2 = /E/ oppure 1//r /= /V///R_n / = spazio-tempo =
>>>             energia-massa = /m///E/ = 1//c/^2 .
>>>
>>>             La trasformazione di un /flusso/ di redditi in un
>>>             /fondo/ di valore, operata dal co-efficiente di
>>>             capitalizzazione 1//r/, manifesta la dualità dinamica
>>>             dell’essere valore e dell’essere reddito di un bene
>>>             capitale o dell’essere spazio (integrazione) e
>>>             dell’essere punto (derivazione) che si rivela
>>>             sorprendentemente analoga alla relazione tra l’essere
>>>             materia e l’essere energia della stessa realtà fisica
>>>             secondo l’equazione della relatività ristretta. La
>>>             somiglianza delle due form(-ul)e matematiche appare
>>>             incredibilmente forte alla /luce/ della musicale e
>>>             misteriosa uni-dualità spazio-tempo che è fondamentale
>>>             sia per la capitalizzazione o solidificazione dei
>>>             redditi (economici) che dell’energia (naturale). Come la
>>>             natura corpuscolare e la natura ondulatoria sono due
>>>             forme (diverse), una implicante l’altra in un approccio
>>>             uni-duale alla stessa realtà fisica, l’essere flusso di
>>>             redditi e l’essere fondo di capitale sono due forme
>>>             (diverse) costituenti un’interpretazione uni-duale della
>>>             stessa realtà economica che può rap-presentarsi /solo/
>>>             in unità discrete di valore /R_n ּ/1//r/. E dato che
>>>             l’energia è in-formazione della natura e l’in-formazione
>>>             è energia della cultura il triangolo della figura 7.1
>>>             può essere ri-scritto secondo la figura 7.2.
>>>
>>>             Fig. 7.2
>>>
>>>             La meta-dualità essere-energia ed essere-in-formazione
>>>             rap-presenta e com-pone in maniera trans-disciplinare le
>>>             dualità: essere-segno ed essere-merce o essere-flusso
>>>             (di redditi) ed essere-fondo (di valore) dei beni
>>>             (culturali) che sono beni-moneta privilegiati;
>>>             essere-energia ed essere-materia od essere-particella ed
>>>             essere-oscillazione di campo delle «cose» (naturali).
>>>             Beninteso, affinché non si prendano abbagli gli
>>>             accostamenti analogici tra le leggi della natura e le
>>>             leggi dell’economia debbono evitare ogni tentazione di
>>>             identicità, sfuggire a qualunque identificazione
>>>             concettuale e non farsi ingannare da alcuna automatica
>>>             trasposizione. Credere nell’armonia meravigliosa che
>>>             governa il mondo (naturale e sociale) non significa
>>>             s-cadere nella con-fusione o nel con-formismo naturale e
>>>             culturale, esistenziale e conoscitivo.
>>>
>>>             3. L’ateniese Takis intende l’opera d’arte come simbolo
>>>             di energia. Stephen Hawking rivedendo la sua teoria
>>>             sostiene che i buchi neri non si limitano a perdere
>>>             massa attraverso una radiazione di energia, ma evaporano
>>>             o rilasciano informazione. Essi non distruggono mai
>>>             completamente quello che fagocitano. Con-tengono
>>>             un’informazione, non casuale e indefinibile, sulla
>>>             materia di cui sono fatti che con-sente di predirne il
>>>             futuro. In una relazione del 1998 [7], ripresa nel 2005
>>>             [8], Hawking studia la possibilità di collegare i campi
>>>             gravitazionali (che sembravano eliminare ogni
>>>             in-formazione) all’entropia e alla predicibilità del
>>>             futuro che la seconda legge della termodinamica
>>>             permette. In tal modo i buchi neri non evaporano o
>>>             irradiano un’energia invisibile o enigmatica priva di
>>>             informazione come se fossero delle inafferrabili e
>>>             indecifrabili entità cosmiche, e non s-fuggono alla
>>>             (mia) super-legge della combinazione creativa (anche se
>>>             talvolta stupefacente) di energia e in-formazione. I
>>>             buchi neri possono considerarsi quindi come speciali
>>>             scatole nere o magici processi di tras-informazione
>>>             produttivi (i cui /input/ e /output/ sono materia,
>>>             energia e informazione) e prospettici.
>>>
>>>             L’energia e l’in-formazione costituiscono le due
>>>             sostanze primarie della vita e della scienza che
>>>             implicano «affermazioni complementari» non identiche
>>>             all’una o all’altra delle due «affermazioni alternative»
>>>             che presuppongono scelte binarie del tipo 0 o 1. Ad ogni
>>>             affermazione complementare corrisponde uno stato o
>>>             «potenzialità coesistente» che in una certa misura
>>>             contiene anche gli altri «stati coesistenti». Queste
>>>             considerazioni di fisica quantistica, riconducibili al
>>>             pensiero di Carl von Weizsäcker e stimolate da Werner
>>>             Heisenberg, richiamano la logica fuzzy [9, pp. 214-7].
>>>
>>>             Caro Mariuz
>>>
>>>             il nichilismo economico, sotteso dall’ideologia
>>>             utilitaristica, esalta i prezzi e annulla i valori. La
>>>             mia nuova concezione economica è basata sulla teoria del
>>>             valore-informazione. Le opere d’arte non valgono perché
>>>             sono utili, ma perché sono dotate dibellezza in senso
>>>             generale. E la bellezza è regolata dalla legge delle
>>>             leggi dell’informazione
>>>
>>>             Ancora una volta Ti dico bravo, perché Ti intendi di
>>>             economia dell’arte o di arte dell’economia.
>>>
>>>             Un abbraccio
>>>
>>>             Francesco
>>>
>>>             Dear Mariusz,
>>>
>>>             on the theory of information-value. Works of art are not
>>>             worthwhile because they are useful, but because they are
>>>             endowed with beauty in a general sense. And beauty is
>>>             governed by the law of information laws. Once again I
>>>             tell you good, because you understand the economics of
>>>             art or the art of economics. A hug. Francis
>>>
>>>
>>>             Il giorno mar 19 apr 2022 alle ore 17:47 Mariusz
>>>             Stanowski < stanowskimariusz at wp.pl> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Dear Pedro and FIs Colleagues,
>>>
>>>                 You raised an interesting and important issue of
>>>                 emotions in art. This made me think about how it is
>>>                 that art evokes/intensifies our emotions.
>>>                 From my research it follows that art (the essence of
>>>                 art) in the most general/abstract sense is the
>>>                 compression of information (contained in a work of
>>>                 art) thanks to which our perception saves energy,
>>>                 becomes more economical (cost-effective), e.g. a
>>>                 shorter text is more economical/compressed than a
>>>                 longer one containing the same amount of
>>>                 information. Thanks to this saving of energy
>>>                 (effort) we feel satisfaction, pleasure. This
>>>                 pleasure is related to our development, because
>>>                 saving energy obviously contributes to our
>>>                 development, which is our greatest value.
>>>
>>>                 These positive emotions related to our development
>>>                 can be considered abstract because they have no
>>>                 “direction”, they do not concern any concrete sphere
>>>                 of reality but the abstract development itself
>>>                 (increase in complexity). These absolutely abstract
>>>                 emotions, however, always occur in conjunction with
>>>                 more or less concrete realities, because we cannot
>>>                 experience both absolute abstraction and absolutely
>>>                 abstract (pure) art. The diversity of art comes from
>>>                 the necessity of the presence of different concrete
>>>                 realms/objects/media of reality in works of art.
>>>                 Each work/type of art speaks differently about what
>>>                 they have in common - what art is in essence, which
>>>                 is contrast, complexity, compression of information,
>>>                 development or value.
>>>
>>>                 The type of emotion depends on what specific realm
>>>                 of reality the compression of information refers to.
>>>                 If it is, for example, a landscape painted by an
>>>                 artist, we should like it more than an
>>>                 (uncompressed) natural landscape. The same is the
>>>                 case with all other emotions - they are intensified
>>>                 thanks to the compression of information -
>>>                 associated with them. The most abstract art is
>>>                 music, which is why it is often difficult for us to
>>>                 associate it with known/conscious emotions. However,
>>>                 connections with reality also occur here, mainly in
>>>                 the structural sphere. That is why, for example,
>>>                 different pieces of music are performed on different
>>>                 occasions. To sum up, we can say that art can be
>>>                 made of anything if we include information
>>>                 compression. However, compression alone does not
>>>                 tell us about the value/size of art because one can
>>>                 compress a larger (more difficult to
>>>                 compress/organize) area or a smaller area to the
>>>                 same degree. The compressed larger area (of
>>>                 information) has more complexity and aesthetic
>>>                 value, which can be equated with value in general -
>>>                 as discussed in the presentation.
>>>
>>>                 P.S. As a budding artist and art theorist I
>>>                 encountered a knowledge of art that relied mainly on
>>>                 closer and further metaphors. There was also a
>>>                 belief that only such knowledge was possible. For
>>>                 example, it was said that a work of art "gives us
>>>                 energy" which of course was treated as a metaphor.
>>>                 The attempt to understand this metaphor led me to
>>>                 the conclusion that it is not about receiving energy
>>>                 but about saving it and that energy is not a
>>>                 metaphor but a physical value, which was confirmed
>>>                 by studies in perception, information theory and
>>>                 physics.
>>>
>>>                 Best regards
>>>
>>>                 Mariusz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 W dniu 2022-04-18 o 21:20, Pedro C. Marijuan pisze:
>>>>                 Dear Mariusz and FIs Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>                 May I disturb this calm vacation state and
>>>>                 introduce some "contrast"? For the sake of the
>>>>                 discussion, the Theory & Practice of Contrast
>>>>                 presented may be considered as a pretty valid
>>>>                 approach to visual arts, also extended to a
>>>>                 diversity of other fields in science & humanities.
>>>>                 let me warn that the overextension of a decent
>>>>                 paradigm is a frequent cause of weakening the
>>>>                 initial paradigm itself. The Darwinian cosmovision
>>>>                 is a good example. One can read in a book of Peter
>>>>                 Atkins: /“/ /A great deal of the universe does not
>>>>                 need any explanation. Elephants, for instance. Once
>>>>                 molecules have learnt to compete and to create
>>>>                 other molecules in their own image, elephants, and
>>>>                 things resembling elephants, will in due course be
>>>>                 found roaming around the countryside/ /... / /Some
>>>>                 of the things resembling elephants will be men.” /I
>>>>                 am not comfortable at all with that type of
>>>>                 bombastic paradigm overextension--but maybe it is
>>>>                 my problem. Finally it is the explanatory
>>>>                 capability of the attempt what counts (which in
>>>>                 Atkins case is close to nil). In any case, the
>>>>                 co-ligation of disciplines is a tough matter not
>>>>                 very well solved/articulated yet.
>>>>
>>>>                 Let me change gears. My main concern with arts
>>>>                 stems from their close relationships with emotions.
>>>>                 I remember a strange personal experience. In a
>>>>                 multidisciplinary gathering (scientists & artists)
>>>>                 time ago, there was a small concert in an ancient
>>>>                 chapel. Cello and electronic music together--great
>>>>                 performers. In the middle of the concert, for
>>>>                 unknown reasons, I started to feel sad, very sad. I
>>>>                 was very absorbed in the music and could not
>>>>                 realize having had any other bad interfering
>>>>                 remembrance. Then I discretely looked at the person
>>>>                 aside me, a lady. She was in tears, quite openly. I
>>>>                 realized it was the music effect. Quite a few of
>>>>                 the audience after the end of the concert were with
>>>>                 red eyes... Some years later, in some biomedical
>>>>                 research of my team on laughter (the analysis of
>>>>                 its auditory contents as a helpful tool in the
>>>>                 diagnosis of depression) we stumbled on Manfred
>>>>                 Clynes "sentic forms". Some of the basic emotions
>>>>                 can be clearly distinguished in ad hoc acoustic
>>>>                 patterns, as well in tactile expression. (He made
>>>>                 and sold a few gadgets about that). To make a long
>>>>                 story short, we found the most important sentic
>>>>                 forms in the sounds of laughter, including the
>>>>                 "golden mean" in the expression of joyful laughs.
>>>>                 End of the story.
>>>>
>>>>                 Trying to articulate a concrete question, in what
>>>>                 extension could have been some of the arts a
>>>>                 powerful means to elicit emotions which are not so
>>>>                 easily felt in social life?  Think in the liturgy
>>>>                 of these days... such a powerful rites....
>>>>                 /
>>>>                 /
>>>>                 Best regards,
>>>>                 --Pedro
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 El 11/04/2022 a las 12:31, Mariusz Stanowski escribió:
>>>>>                 We are all right you are talking about the
>>>>>                 practical possibility of simulation and I am
>>>>>                 talking about the theoretical.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Mariusz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 W dniu 2022-04-11 o 11:30, Daniel Boyd pisze:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Dear Joe, dear Mariusz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Thankyou for both your responses. If I may pursue
>>>>>>                 the topic of continuous-discontinuous contrasts
>>>>>>                 further: is the solution to Joseph’s issue with
>>>>>>                 non-computable processes perhaps to be found in
>>>>>>                 acknowledging the distinction between the reality
>>>>>>                 and its representation/simulation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Take a landscape. In reality this contains an
>>>>>>                 almost infinite amount of continuous and
>>>>>>                 discontinuous detail from the subatomic particle
>>>>>>                 to the geological mountain. A representation or
>>>>>>                 simulation (artistic or scientific) of this
>>>>>>                 reality cannot and need not accurately reproduce
>>>>>>                 this detail to fulfil its purpose: distillation,
>>>>>>                 approximation, even distortion may justifiably be
>>>>>>                 involved. An artistic rendition, unless intended
>>>>>>                 as photo-realistic, will be intentionally
>>>>>>                 inaccurate. Digital representations are, for the
>>>>>>                 sake of efficiency, designed to compress
>>>>>>                 information to the minimum required to provide
>>>>>>                 the illusion of accuracy based on the sensitivity
>>>>>>                 of our senses. This accounts for the 16,7 million
>>>>>>                 colour standard for images: a lot of colours, but
>>>>>>                 only a coarse approximation to the real colours
>>>>>>                 of the rainbow. Our own senses apply similar
>>>>>>                 necessary estimations: the cells of the retina
>>>>>>                 determine the maximal pixel definition of the
>>>>>>                 image recreated in the brain: the continuous is
>>>>>>                 made discontinuous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Such representational approximations do not,
>>>>>>                 however, imply discontinuity in the object
>>>>>>                 observed. We see this in the inability of
>>>>>>                 algorithmic simulations to accurately predict the
>>>>>>                 future of non-linear systems in which arbitrarily
>>>>>>                 small differences in initial conditions may have
>>>>>>                 large effects as the system evolves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Perhaps this distinction between reality and
>>>>>>                 representation lies, in your diagram, between the
>>>>>>                 being-contrast-complexity column and the
>>>>>>                 neighbouring elements? Or, possibly, you intend
>>>>>>                 the being-contrast-complexity elements not to
>>>>>>                 refer to the objects of reality themselves, but
>>>>>>                 the perception/representation of them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Regards, Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 *From: *joe.brenner at bluewin.ch
>>>>>>                 *Sent: *Sunday, 10 April 2022 11:53
>>>>>>                 *To: *Mariusz; daniel.boyd at live.nl; "fis"
>>>>>>                 *Cc: *fis at listas.unizar.es; daniel.boyd at live.nl
>>>>>>                 *Subject: *Re: Re: [Fis] Book Presentation.
>>>>>>                 Potentiality as well as Actuality
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Dear Mariusz, Dear Daniel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Please allow me to enter the discussion at this
>>>>>>                 point. I will go back to the beginning as
>>>>>>                 necessary later. I am in general agreement with
>>>>>>                 Mariusz' approach, but I believe it could be
>>>>>>                 strengthened by looking at the potential as well
>>>>>>                 as the actual aspects of the phenomena in
>>>>>>                 question. Thus when Mariusz writes interaction,
>>>>>>                 is a prior concept to the concept of being,
>>>>>>                 because without interaction there is no being. It
>>>>>>                 follows that the basic ingredient of being must
>>>>>>                 be two objects/elements/components (forming a
>>>>>>                 contrast) that have common and differentiating
>>>>>>                 features."). , I would add the dimension of
>>>>>>                 becoming, which is a more dynamic relation. We
>>>>>>                 can more easily talk about processes and change
>>>>>>                 instead of component objects
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 A similar comment could be made about the
>>>>>>                 discrete-continuous distinction. This is at the
>>>>>>                 same time also an appearance-reality duality
>>>>>>                 which is not static, but embodies the change from
>>>>>>                 actual to potential and vice versa just mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 I do not, however, agree with the following
>>>>>>                 statement: Besides it is already known that using
>>>>>>                 binary structures it is possible to simulate any
>>>>>>                 processes and objects of reality)  There are many
>>>>>>                 non-computable process aspects of reality that
>>>>>>                 cannot be captured and simulated by an algorithm
>>>>>>                 without loss of information and meaning. In the
>>>>>>                 "graph" of the movement of a process from
>>>>>>                 actuality to potentiality, the limiting points of
>>>>>>                 0 and 1 are not included - it is non-Kolmogorovian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 I would say regarding beauty that it is a
>>>>>>                 property emerging from the various contrast or
>>>>>>                 antagonisms in the mind/body of the artist. The
>>>>>>                 logic of such processes as I have remarked is a
>>>>>>                 logic of energy, and this seems to fit here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Thank you and best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Joseph
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     ----Message d'origine----
>>>>>>                     De : stanowskimariusz at wp.pl
>>>>>>                     Date : 10/04/2022 - 08:35 (CEST)
>>>>>>                     À : daniel.boyd at live.nl, fis at listas.unizar.es
>>>>>>                     Objet : Re: [Fis] Book Presentation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Dear Daniel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Thank you for your questions. Below are the
>>>>>>                     highlighted answers (of course they are more
>>>>>>                     complete in the book).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Mariusz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     W dniu 2022-04-09 o 17:37, Daniel Boyd pisze:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Dear Mariusz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         While (or perhaps because!) your work is
>>>>>>                         a fair distance from my own field of
>>>>>>                         expertise, I found your conceptual
>>>>>>                         framework intriguing. Herewith some of
>>>>>>                         the thoughts it elicited. While they may
>>>>>>                         be unexpected because they come from a
>>>>>>                         different angle, hopefully a
>>>>>>                         cross-disciplinary interaction will be
>>>>>>                         fruitful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         The Second Law of Thermodynamics dictates
>>>>>>                         the ultimate heat death of the universe
>>>>>>                         (a state in which all 'contrasts' are
>>>>>>                         erased). (The heat death of the universe
>>>>>>                         is just a popular view and not a
>>>>>>                         scientific truth)Its current state,
>>>>>>                         fortunately for us, is teeming with
>>>>>>                         differences (between entities, properties
>>>>>>                         and interactions) which underlie all that
>>>>>>                         is of importance to us. To take such
>>>>>>                         contrasts as a unifying principle would
>>>>>>                         therefore seem to be undeniable, if
>>>>>>                         extremely ambitious! After all, the sheer
>>>>>>                         diversity of contrasts takes us from the
>>>>>>                         different spins of subatomic particles
>>>>>>                         underlying the various elements to the
>>>>>>                         masses of the celestial bodies
>>>>>>                         determining their orbits around the sun;
>>>>>>                         from the colours in a painting to the
>>>>>>                         sounds of a symphony. Systemically,
>>>>>>                         different patterns of contrasts underlie
>>>>>>                         the distinctions between linear and
>>>>>>                         complex systems. Contrasts also form the
>>>>>>                         basis for the working of our sense
>>>>>>                         organs, the perceptions derived from
>>>>>>                         them, and the inner world of conscious
>>>>>>                         experience. In each of these contexts
>>>>>>                         very different classes of contrasts lead
>>>>>>                         to different mechanisms and laws, leading
>>>>>>                         me to wonder just what the 'underlying
>>>>>>                         structure' is (beyond the observation
>>>>>>                         that, ultimately, some type of contrast
>>>>>>                         is always involved and that we tend to
>>>>>>                         deal with such diverse contrasts in a
>>>>>>                         similar way). Maybe your book provides an
>>>>>>                         answer to this question that I am unable
>>>>>>                         to find in this brief abstract: could you
>>>>>>                         perhaps say something about this? (The
>>>>>>                         answer to this question is contained in
>>>>>>                         the contrast-being relation:
>>>>>>                         "Contrast-Being Contrast, or interaction,
>>>>>>                         is a prior concept to the concept of
>>>>>>                         being, because without interaction there
>>>>>>                         is no being. It follows that the basic
>>>>>>                         ingredient of being must be two
>>>>>>                         objects/elements/components (forming a
>>>>>>                         contrast) that have common and
>>>>>>                         differentiating features.").
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Moving on to more specific topics, I see
>>>>>>                         that you equate the complexity of a
>>>>>>                         system to a relationship between binary
>>>>>>                         values (C = N²/n). While such as approach
>>>>>>                         may work for discontinuous contrasts
>>>>>>                         (e.g. presence/absence, information in
>>>>>>                         digital systems) many naturally occurring
>>>>>>                         differences are continuous (e.g. the
>>>>>>                         electromagnetic frequencies underlying
>>>>>>                         the colours of the rainbow). In
>>>>>>                         neuroscience, while the firing of a
>>>>>>                         neuron may be a binary event, the charge
>>>>>>                         underlying this event is a dynamic
>>>>>>                         continuous variable. My question: how
>>>>>>                         does the concept of abstract complexity
>>>>>>                         deal with continuous variables
>>>>>>                         ("contrasts")?(What seems to us to be
>>>>>>                         continuous in reality may be discrete,
>>>>>>                         e.g. a picture or a sound on a computer
>>>>>>                         is continuous and in reality it is a
>>>>>>                         binary structure of electric impulses; a
>>>>>>                         continuous color is a vibration of an
>>>>>>                         electromagnetic wave. Besides it is
>>>>>>                         already known that using binary
>>>>>>                         structures it is possible to simulate any
>>>>>>                         processes and objects of reality).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         I was also intrigued by your statement
>>>>>>                         that "Beautiful are objects with high
>>>>>>                         information compression" based on the
>>>>>>                         reasoning "perceiving beauty, we save
>>>>>>                         energy, the perception becomes more
>>>>>>                         economical and pleasant". Intuitively, it
>>>>>>                         seems odd to me to equate beauty to the
>>>>>>                         lack of perceptive effort required.(This
>>>>>>                         is not about "no effort" but about
>>>>>>                         "saving effort". If we have a beautiful
>>>>>>                         and an ugly object with the same
>>>>>>                         information content, the perception of
>>>>>>                         the beautiful object will require less
>>>>>>                         energy. The measure of beauty is not the
>>>>>>                         amount of effort/energy, but the amount
>>>>>>                         of energy saved, which in the case of the
>>>>>>                         Sagrada Familia will be greater). This
>>>>>>                         would mean that the Pentagon (high
>>>>>>                         regularity/compressibility) is more
>>>>>>                         beautiful than the Sagrada Familia (low
>>>>>>                         regularity/compressibility); and a
>>>>>>                         single-instrument midi rendition of Bach
>>>>>>                         is more beautiful than a symphonic
>>>>>>                         performance. It seems to me that beauty
>>>>>>                         often stimulates (gives energy) rather
>>>>>>                         than just costing minimal energy. Much
>>>>>>                         research has been done on the universal
>>>>>>                         and culture-dependent perception of
>>>>>>                         beauty: does this support your
>>>>>>                         statement? see e.g.
>>>>>>                         https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1551-6709.2011.01229.x
>>>>>>                         <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1551-6709.2011.01229.x> which
>>>>>>                         describes factors other than simplicity
>>>>>>                         as necessary characteristics. (This
>>>>>>                         article is based on faulty assumptions
>>>>>>                         e.g. misunderstanding Kolmogorov's
>>>>>>                         definition of complexity, which is not
>>>>>>                         applicable here).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1551-6709.2011.01229.x>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         	
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Musings About Beauty - Kintsch - 2012 -
>>>>>>                         Cognitive Science - Wiley Online Library
>>>>>>                         <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1551-6709.2011.01229.x>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Aesthetics has been a human concern
>>>>>>                         throughout history. Cognitive science is
>>>>>>                         a relatively new development and its
>>>>>>                         implications for a theory of aesthetics
>>>>>>                         have been largely unexplored.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         onlinelibrary.wiley.com
>>>>>>                         <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         By defining contrast as a distinction
>>>>>>                         between entities or properties, it seems
>>>>>>                         to come close as a definition to the type
>>>>>>                         of information underlying physical
>>>>>>                         entropy. That being the case, your
>>>>>>                         approach would seem to resemble those who
>>>>>>                         would give such information a comparable
>>>>>>                         fundamental significance (e.g. Wheeler's
>>>>>>                         "it from bit"). Could you say something
>>>>>>                         about how you see the relationship
>>>>>>                         between 'contrast' and 'information? Are
>>>>>>                         they effectively synonyms?Contrast and
>>>>>>                         information are different concepts.
>>>>>>                         Information is a feature or form of
>>>>>>                         energy. Contrast is the
>>>>>>                         tension/force/energy created by the
>>>>>>                         interaction of common features
>>>>>>                         (attraction) and different features
>>>>>>                         (repulsion) of contrasting objects).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Thankyou, in any case, for your
>>>>>>                         contribution which certainly demonstrates
>>>>>>                         the relationship between Value and
>>>>>>                         Development 😉
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Regards, Daniel Boyd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Van: *Mariusz Stanowski
>>>>>>                         *Verzonden: *zaterdag 2 april 2022 19:23
>>>>>>                         *Aan: *fis at listas.unizar.es
>>>>>>                         *Onderwerp: *[Fis] Book Presentation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Book Presentation*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *“Theory and Practice of Contrast:
>>>>>>                         Integrating Science, Art and Philosophy.”*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Mariusz Stanowski*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Published June 10, 2021 by CRC Press
>>>>>>                         (hardcover and eBook).*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Dear FIS list members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Many thanks for the opportunity to
>>>>>>                         present my recent book in this list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Our dispersed knowledge needs an
>>>>>>                         underlying structure that allows it to be
>>>>>>                         organised into a coherent and complex
>>>>>>                         system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         I believe “Theory and Practice of
>>>>>>                         Contrast” provides such a structure by
>>>>>>                         bringing the considerations to the most
>>>>>>                         basic, general and abstract level. At
>>>>>>                         this level it is possible to define
>>>>>>                         *contrast as a tension between common and
>>>>>>                         differentiating features of objects. It
>>>>>>                         grows in intensity as the number/strength
>>>>>>                         of differentiating and common features of
>>>>>>                         contrasting structures/objects
>>>>>>                         increases*. Contrast understood in this
>>>>>>                         way applies to any objects of reality
>>>>>>                         (mental and physical) and is also an
>>>>>>                         impact (causal force) in the most general
>>>>>>                         sense. Contrast as a common principle
>>>>>>                         organises (binds) our knowledge into a
>>>>>>                         coherent system. This is illustrated by a
>>>>>>                         diagram of the connections between the
>>>>>>                         key concepts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Below are brief descriptions of these
>>>>>>                         connections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Contrast—Development *When observing a
>>>>>>                         contrast, we also observe the connection
>>>>>>                         between contrasting objects/structures
>>>>>>                         (resulting from their common features)
>>>>>>                         and the emergence of a new, more complex
>>>>>>                         structure possessing the common and
>>>>>>                         differentiating features of connected
>>>>>>                         structures. In the general sense, the
>>>>>>                         emergence of a new structure is
>>>>>>                         tantamount to development. Therefore, it
>>>>>>                         may be stated that contrast is a
>>>>>>                         perception of structures/objects
>>>>>>                         connections, or experience of
>>>>>>                         development. The association of contrast
>>>>>>                         with development brings a new quality to
>>>>>>                         the understanding of many other
>>>>>>                         fundamental concepts, such as beauty,
>>>>>>                         value, creativity, emergence. (Similarly,
>>>>>>                         /contrast as development /is understood
>>>>>>                         in Whitehead’s philosophy).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Contrast—Complexity *In accordance with
>>>>>>                         the proposed definition, when we consider
>>>>>>                         the contrast between two or more
>>>>>>                         objects/structures, it grows in intensity
>>>>>>                         as the number/strength of differentiating
>>>>>>                         and common features of contrasting
>>>>>>                         structures/objects increases. Such an
>>>>>>                         understanding of contrast remain an
>>>>>>                         intuitive criterion of complexity that
>>>>>>                         can be formulated as follows: *a system
>>>>>>                         becomes more complex the greater is the
>>>>>>                         number of distinguishable elements and
>>>>>>                         the greater the number of connections
>>>>>>                         among them*/. /If in definition of
>>>>>>                         contrast we substitute “differentiating
>>>>>>                         features” for “distinguishable elements”
>>>>>>                         and “common features” for “connections”,
>>>>>>                         we will be able to conclude that
>>>>>>                         *contrast is the perception and measure
>>>>>>                         of complexity.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Note: Two types of contrasts can be
>>>>>>                         distinguished: the sensual (physical)
>>>>>>                         contrast, which is determined only by the
>>>>>>                         force of features of contrasting objects
>>>>>>                         and the mental (abstract) contrast which
>>>>>>                         depends primarily on the number of these
>>>>>>                         features. (This contrast can be equated
>>>>>>                         with complexity). (The equation of
>>>>>>                         contrast with complexity is an important
>>>>>>                         finding for the investigations in:
>>>>>>                         cognitive sciences, psychology, ontology,
>>>>>>                         epistemology, aesthetics, axiology,
>>>>>>                         biology, information theory, complexity
>>>>>>                         theory and indirectly in physics).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Complexity—Information Compression
>>>>>>                         *Intuition says that the more complex
>>>>>>                         object with the same number of components
>>>>>>                         (e.g. words) has more
>>>>>>                         features/information (i.e. more common
>>>>>>                         and differentiating features), which
>>>>>>                         proves its better organization (assuming
>>>>>>                         that all components have the same or
>>>>>>                         similar complexity). We can also say that
>>>>>>                         such an object has a higher degree of
>>>>>>                         complexity. The degree of complexity is
>>>>>>                         in other words the brevity of the form or
>>>>>>                         the compression of information.
>>>>>>                         Complexity understood intuitively (as
>>>>>>                         above) depends, however, not only on the
>>>>>>                         complexity degree (that could be defined
>>>>>>                         as the ratio of the number of features to
>>>>>>                         the number of components) but also on the
>>>>>>                         (total) number of features, because it is
>>>>>>                         more difficult to organize a larger
>>>>>>                         number of elements/features. In addition,
>>>>>>                         the more features (with the same degree
>>>>>>                         of complexity), the greater the contrast.
>>>>>>                         Therefore, in the proposed /Abstract
>>>>>>                         Definition of Complexity /(2011), we
>>>>>>                         multiply the degree of complexity by the
>>>>>>                         number of features. This definition
>>>>>>                         defines the complexity (C) of the binary
>>>>>>                         structure (general model of all
>>>>>>                         structures/objects) as the quotient of
>>>>>>                         the square of features
>>>>>>                         (regularities/substructures) number (N)
>>>>>>                         to the number of components or the number
>>>>>>                         of zeros and ones (n). It is expressed in
>>>>>>                         a simple formula: C = N²/n and should be
>>>>>>                         considered the most general definition of
>>>>>>                         complexity, among the existing ones,
>>>>>>                         which also fulfils the intuitive
>>>>>>                         criterion. (This relation explains what
>>>>>>                         compression of information in general is
>>>>>>                         and what role it plays as a complexity
>>>>>>                         factor. This allows to generalize the
>>>>>>                         notion of information compression and use
>>>>>>                         it not only in computer science, but also
>>>>>>                         in other fields of knowledge, such as
>>>>>>                         aesthetics, axiology, cognitive science,
>>>>>>                         biology, chemistry, physics).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Information compression—Development *Our
>>>>>>                         mind perceiving objects (receiving
>>>>>>                         information) more compressed, saves
>>>>>>                         energy. Compression/organization of
>>>>>>                         information reduce energy of perception
>>>>>>                         while maintaining the same amount of
>>>>>>                         information (in case of lossless
>>>>>>                         compression). Thanks to this, perception
>>>>>>                         becomes easier (more economical) and more
>>>>>>                         enjoyable; for example, it can be
>>>>>>                         compared to faster and easier learning,
>>>>>>                         acquiring knowledge (information), which
>>>>>>                         also contributes to our development.
>>>>>>                         Compression of information as a degree of
>>>>>>                         complexity also affects its size.
>>>>>>                         Complexity, in turn, is a measure of
>>>>>>                         contrast (and vice versa). Contrast,
>>>>>>                         however, is identified with development.
>>>>>>                         Hence, complexity is also development.
>>>>>>                         This sequence of associations is the
>>>>>>                         second way connecting the compression of
>>>>>>                         information with development. Similarly,
>>>>>>                         one can trace all other possibilities of
>>>>>>                         connections in the diagram. (The
>>>>>>                         association of information compression
>>>>>>                         with development brings a new,
>>>>>>                         explanatory knowledge to many fields
>>>>>>                         including cognitive science, aesthetics,
>>>>>>                         axiology, information theory).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Development—Value *Development is the
>>>>>>                         essence of value, because all values
>>>>>>                         (ethical, material, intellectual, etc.)
>>>>>>                         contribute to our development which is
>>>>>>                         their common feature. It follows that
>>>>>>                         value is also a contrast, complexity and
>>>>>>                         compression of information because they
>>>>>>                         are synonymous with development. (The
>>>>>>                         relation explains and defines the notion
>>>>>>                         of value fundamental to axiology).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Value—Abstract Value *About all kinds of
>>>>>>                         values (with the exception of aesthetic
>>>>>>                         values) we can say, what they are useful
>>>>>>                         for. Only aesthetic values can be said to
>>>>>>                         serve the development or be the essence
>>>>>>                         of values, values in general or abstract
>>>>>>                         values. This is a property of abstract
>>>>>>                         concepts to express the general idea of
>>>>>>                         something (e.g. the concept of a chair
>>>>>>                         includes all kinds of chairs and not a
>>>>>>                         specific one). It follows that *what is
>>>>>>                         specific to aesthetic value is that it is
>>>>>>                         an abstract value* (although it is
>>>>>>                         difficult to imagine). (This is a new
>>>>>>                         understanding of aesthetic value, crucial
>>>>>>                         for aesthetics and axiology).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Contrast—Being *Contrast or interaction
>>>>>>                         is a concept prior to the concept of
>>>>>>                         being because without interaction there
>>>>>>                         is no existence. It follows that the
>>>>>>                         basic component of being must be two
>>>>>>                         objects/elements/components (creating a
>>>>>>                         contrast) having common and
>>>>>>                         differentiating features. (Understanding
>>>>>>                         of being as a contrast is fundamental to
>>>>>>                         ontology and metaphysics and worth
>>>>>>                         considering in physics).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Contrast—Cognition *The object of
>>>>>>                         cognition and the subject (mind)
>>>>>>                         participate in the cognitive process. The
>>>>>>                         object and the subject have common and
>>>>>>                         differentiating features, thus they
>>>>>>                         create a contrast. Cognition consists in
>>>>>>                         attaching (through common features)
>>>>>>                         differentiating features of the object by
>>>>>>                         the subject. In this way, through the
>>>>>>                         contrast, the subject develops. It can
>>>>>>                         therefore be said that cognition is a
>>>>>>                         contrast of the object with the subject.
>>>>>>                         (This is a new definition of cognition
>>>>>>                         important for epistemology and cognitive
>>>>>>                         science).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Cognition—Subjectivity *The above
>>>>>>                         understanding of cognition agrees all
>>>>>>                         disputable issues (present, among others,
>>>>>>                         in psychology, cognitive science and
>>>>>>                         aesthetics) regarding the objectivity and
>>>>>>                         subjectivity of assessments (e.g. whether
>>>>>>                         the source of beauty is the observer's
>>>>>>                         mind, whether it is a specific quality
>>>>>>                         from the observer independent), because
>>>>>>                         it shows that they depend on both the
>>>>>>                         subject and the object, i.e. depend on
>>>>>>                         their relationship—contrast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Compression of information—Beauty
>>>>>>                         *Beautiful are objects with high
>>>>>>                         information compression (a large degree
>>>>>>                         of complexity/organization). Thanks to
>>>>>>                         the compression of information,
>>>>>>                         perceiving beauty, we save energy, the
>>>>>>                         perception becomes more economical and
>>>>>>                         pleasant which favours our development
>>>>>>                         and is therefore a value for us. The
>>>>>>                         example is golden division. Counting
>>>>>>                         features (information) in all possible
>>>>>>                         types of divisions (asymmetrical,
>>>>>>                         symmetrical and golden) showed that the
>>>>>>                         golden division contains the most
>>>>>>                         features/information (an additional
>>>>>>                         feature is well known golden proportion)
>>>>>>                         and therefore creates the greatest
>>>>>>                         contrast, complexity and aesthetic value.
>>>>>>                         (This explains the previously unknown
>>>>>>                         reasons for aesthetic preferences, key to
>>>>>>                         aesthetics, art theory, psychology,
>>>>>>                         cognitive science and neuroaesthetics).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Development—Beauty *Beauty contributes
>>>>>>                         to development thanks to the economy of
>>>>>>                         perception. Perception of beauty is
>>>>>>                         accompanied by a sense of development or
>>>>>>                         ease and pleasure of perception. (This
>>>>>>                         explains the causes of aesthetic
>>>>>>                         preferences).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         *Abstract Value—Beauty, Art *Only beauty
>>>>>>                         and art have no specific value but they
>>>>>>                         express/have value in general (an
>>>>>>                         abstract value). The objects that make up
>>>>>>                         a work of art are not important, but
>>>>>>                         their contrast-interaction, which results
>>>>>>                         from the complexity of the artwork. (If
>>>>>>                         we see a single object in the gallery,
>>>>>>                         then the art is its contrast with the
>>>>>>                         context - as in the case of Duchamp's
>>>>>>                         "Urinal" or Malevich's "Black Square").
>>>>>>                         One can say that beauty and art are
>>>>>>                         distinguished (defined) by two elements:
>>>>>>                         abstract value and a large contrast.(This
>>>>>>                         is a new and only definition of
>>>>>>                         beauty/art that indicates the distinctive
>>>>>>                         common features of all aesthetic/artistic
>>>>>>                         objects, it is crucial for the theory of
>>>>>>                         art, aesthetics, axiology and epistemology).
>>>>>>
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