[Fis] New Dialog on Social Systems. Omnology

Mon Nov 30 00:50:54 CET 2020

Joe, thanks  for your frankness.
everything in science is a hypothesis and up for criticism and replacement.  
and the method of science involves checking your theses over and over  again against the facts.  i took that to be implied in the Omnologist Manifesto.
the role of poetry in science?  poetry often is our first way of grasping previously inexpressible realities in symbolic form.  it can provide meat that science can then transform into testable hypotheses.  
for the argument on the role of the arts in science, see my book The God Problem:  How a Godless Cosmos Creates.
as for the aspiration to omnipotence, the need for control is built into the biology of mammals.  see Herbert M.Lefcourt. Locus of Control: Current Trends in Theory and Research, 2ded. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 1982.  And see my five books of science.

but if by omnipotence you mean a desire for totalitarianism, that is a radical misrepresentation of my intention  and of omnology.
with warmth and oomph--howard

ps.  some quotes about The God Problem may be useful in establishing my bona fides:

"Truly awesome. Terrific." Dudley Herschbach, Harvard U, 1986 Nobel Prize inChemistry

“Deep, provocative, spectacularly well written… apowerful tool …wonderful…a great book.” Robert Sapolsky, MacArthur Genius Award winner, Stanford University,author of Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers

"If Howard Bloom is only 10 percent right, we'llhave to drastically revise our notions of the universe. There's no mysticism inThe God Problem-- no God, no religion, no incommunicable spiritual insights --just the contagious joy of a great mind set loose on the biggest intellectualpuzzles humans have ever faced. Whether you're a scientist or a hyper-curiouslayperson, Bloom's argument will rock your world."  Barbara Ehrenreich, author of Nickel andDimed, National Magazine Award Winner

“The God Problem is the next paradigm. It doesn’t takeyou down the proverbial ‘rabbit hole’ -- it will take you to a place from whichyou will never re-emerge, a brand new universe in the same skin as the one younow unknowingly inhabit.”              Heinz Insu Fenkl, director, The Interstitial Studies Institute, SUNY

"Bloody hell...What a truly extraordinary book. I'mgob-smacked." Francis Pryor, President of the Council for BritishArchaeology, author, Britain BC

"Profound and extraordinary." Yuri Ozhigov,Chair of Quantum Informatics, Moscow State University, author, ConstructivePhysics

"Entertaining, suspenseful, rigorous, and thoroughlymathematical." Martin Bojowald, loop quantum cosmologist, Penn State,author of Once Before Time: A Whole Story of the Universe

"Enthralling. Astonishing.  Written with thepanache of  the Great Blondin turningsomersaults on the rope above Niagara. Profound, extraordinarily eclectic, and crazy.   The most exciting cliffhanger of a book Ican remember reading." James Burke, creator and host of seven BBC TVseries, including Connections

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Brenner <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>
To: 'Howard Bloom' <howlbloom at aol.com>; pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es; fis at listas.unizar.es
Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2020 3:32 am
Subject: Re: [Fis] New Dialog on Social Systems. Omnology

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Sent: dimanche, 29 novembre 202000:08
To: pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es;fis at listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] New Dialog onSocial Systems    Pedro, looks likeyou've achieved an extraordinary act of Omnology.     What's Omnology?    Omnology—the aspiration toomniscience.  an academicbase for the promiscuously curious, a discipline that concentrates on seeingthe patterns that emerge when one views all the sciences and the arts at once. 

TheOmnologist Manifesto
       We areblessed with a richness of specializations, but cursed with a paucity ofpanoptic disciplines—categories of knowledge that concentrate on seeingthe pattern that emerges when one views all the sciences at once.  Hencewe need a field dedicated to the panoramic, an academic base for thepromiscuously curious, a discipline whose mandate is best summed up in aparaphrase of the poet Andrew Marvel: “Let us roll all our strength andall Our knowledge up into one ball, And tear our visions with rough strife Thoroughthe iron gates of life.”    Omnology is a science, but one dedicated tothe biggest picture conceivable by the minds of its practitioners. Omnology will use every conceptual tool available—and some not yetinvented but inventible—to leapfrog over disciplinary barriers, stitchingtogether the patchwork quilt of science and all the rest that humans can yetknow.  If one omnologist is able to perceive the relationship between popsongs, ancient Egyptian graffiti, mysticism, neurobiology, and the origins ofthe cosmos, so be it.  If another uses mathematics to probe trafficpatterns, the behavior of insect colonies, and the manner in which galaxiescluster in swarms, wonderful.  And if another uses introspection touncover hidden passions and relate them to research in chemistry, anthropology,psychology, history, and the arts, she, too, has a treasured place on the wildfrontiers of scientific truth—the terra incognita in the heartland ofomnology.    Let me close with the words of yet anotherpoet, William Blake, on the ultimate goal of omnology:       To see a World in a Grainof Sand And a Heaven in a WildFlower, Hold Infinity in the palmof your hand And Eternity in an hour.    Howard Bloom, 2001       -----OriginalMessage-----
From: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
To: fis at listas.unizar.es
Sent: Sat, Nov 28, 2020 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Fis] New Dialog on Social Systems Dear Joseph and colleagues,    Let me first cordially thank to thecontributors who have chimed in the list and expressed their appreciation.About your reflection, yes, it was a neat transdisciplinary exercise. It was aninitial idea from Andrei that we two crystallized during the IS4SI venue inBerkeley. In some sense it is unusual business, given the compartmentalized structureof most research, but at the same time it may be the natural way to look atsuch "information objects" of extreme complexity as societies are. Weneed a bunch of the perspectives capable of saying anything interesting orrelevant about them. For medieval thinker Raymond Lulli this handling ofheterogeneous perspectives was the intellectual "Ars Magna".  Itrepresents the continued recombination processes withing the "ecologies ofknowledge" of our colleague Yixin. And it was one of fundamental informationprinciples I presented last month.    And to draw some more water to my ownmill, quite many principles of those variegated disciplines might be put inconnection with the principles of information science. Information science andinformation philosophy would appear as the "unofficial handlers" ofthat intuitive Art.    Best regards --Pedro    El 28/11/2020 a las 10:31, Joseph Brennerescribió Dear Pedro, Dear Andrei,   Many thanks to you bothfor the opportunity to have participated in this remarkable project! I lookforward to reading all the papers, especially those of some of the non-FIScontributors with whom I have lost contact. It just occurred to me that this Special Issue is an exemplary Transdisciplinary Project, of the kind thatIS4SI is supposed also to help develop. We could either just say: Nous faisons de la Transdisciplinarité sans le savoiror we could use this concept in some way. I offer this thought foryour consideration during the 3rd International Congress on Transdisciplinaritywhich is in progress essentially on-line for the next six months. Commentswelcome.   Best wishes,   Joseph    From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es]On Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan
Sent: jeudi, 26 novembre 202020:20
To: 'fis'
Subject: [Fis] New Dialog onSocial Systems   Dear FIS Colleagues, You may remember the announcement thatAndrei Igamberdiev and me circulated last year on a special issue in BioSystemson the "Evolutionary Dynamics of Social Systems--Looking for a NewDialog". We are glad to tell that the edition is finally over and thecontributions (more than 20) of this special issue can be freely visited anddownloaded during 50 days, until will 13 January 2021, in the link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/biosystems/special-issue/107DGX9V85V Quite a few contributors belong to ourlist: Joseph Brenner & AndreiIgamberdiev (reflexive transformation of reality), Loet Leydesdorff (codes in inter-humancommunications), Howard Bloom(biopolitics: bacterial roots of the new autocracies) , Yagmur Denizhan (from archaic to modernmyths), Wolfgang Hofkirchner (thecontemporary Great Bifurcation), PedroMarijuan & Jorge Navarro (acceleration of cultural change)....There are also contributions from the Cliodynamicsschool (on political stability of societies), from Adrian Bejan (constructal nature of socialevolution), from Nicholas Christakis'team (selective mating in human evolution), from Andrei Khrennikov (entropy and quantum effects in decisionmaking), etc.  You may have a previous glance on oureditorial presenting the issue: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303264720301489 Hope you will find it an interesting anduseful special issue. Best--Pedro -------------------------------------------------Pedro C. MarijuánGrupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group  pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.eshttp://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/-------------------------------------------------    
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