[Fis] Discommunication

Tue May 12 05:53:30 CEST 2020

Cari colleghi,
a parte la distinzione tra dis-comunicazione  e mis-comunicazione, che
dovrebbe tenere in maggiore conto la significazione e
l'informazione, non bisogna dimenticare la triade o terna che caratterizza
la scienza semiotica che accomuna le differenti lingue,
facendole diventare una uguaglianza dis-uguale o una dis-uguaglianza
uguale. In questa prospettiva epistemo-onto-logica, per
non cadere nella fallacia referenziale, bisogna teorizzare e praticare la
conoscenza della conoscenza dell'ARBITRARIETA'
 DEI SEGNI, la cui significazione è CONVENZIONALE, CULTURALE E SOCIALE.
Tante volte a me pare che si consideri
 la semiotica o la semiologia qualcosa di cui non si possa parlare e si
debba o possa tacere, mentre io ritengo che sia qualcosa
 di cui non si debba o possa tacere, per cui si debba parlare. Altrimenti,
gridano le pietre, dice il Vangelo della Bibbia o la Bibbia
del Vangelo: Il libro dei libri.
Un abbraccio affettuoso, più di sempre, a tutti a partire da Pedro. Grazie.
Francesco

Il giorno lun 11 mag 2020 alle ore 20:02 Loet Leydesdorff <
loet en leydesdorff.net> ha scritto:

> Dear Jose Javier and colleagues,
>
> I don't think that one can arbitrarily construct one's own language game
> and still have the intended effect. The codification takes place at the
> supra-individual level as a development of the medium. This
> "self-organization" is thus beyond individual control.
>
> Attempts to construct purposefully will lead overwhelmingly to unintended
> consequences; this is not input-> output. The construction only succeeds
> where it resonates into a kind of eigenvector. The dynamics is one of the
> communication matrix and not of an individual vector.
>
> Best,
> Loet
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Loet Leydesdorff
>
> Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
>
> loet en leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/
> Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of
> Sussex;
>
> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>,
> Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC,
> <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing;
>
> Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of London;
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> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Jose Javier Blanco Rivero" <javierweiss en gmail.com>
> To: "Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic" <gordana.dodig-crnkovic en mdh.se>
> Cc: "fis en listas.unizar.es" <fis en listas.unizar.es>; "Joseph Brenner" <
> joe.brenner en bluewin.ch>
> Sent: 5/11/2020 4:53:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Discommunication
>
> Dear Joseph & Gordana,
>
>   When looking for scientific soundness it seems often obvious to focus on
> the precision and elaboration of singular concepts. However, concepts
> rarely work alone; they are entangled in semantic fields, types of
> discourse, common places (*tópos koinós*) and so on. Therefore, I would
> suggest, why don't we focus on the vocabulary we would need in order to
> clearly set the problems we are interested in and the reach our conceptual
> abstractions should have?
>   I believe that thinking theoretically consists, in some Wittgensteinian
> vain, in designing language games and that scientific communication consist
> in convincing others to speak our language (or being convinced by others to
> speak their language) and phrase problems our way.
>
> Best,
>
> JJ
>
> El lun., 11 may. 2020 a las 6:06, Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic (<
> gordana.dodig-crnkovic en mdh.se>) escribió:
>
>> Thanks, Joseph for your interesting reflection.
>>
>> What would you say of this example of an analysis by leading UK
>> statistician of miscommunications we are massively exposed to in the
>> form of “Number theatre”?
>>
>> BBC One - The Andrew Marr Show, 10/05/2020, Professor Sir David
>> Spiegelhalter: Here is the whole ten minutes of @d_spiegel
>> <https://twitter.com/d_spiegel>  talking such refreshing sense about
>> COVID19, numbers and risk: *https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08csg28
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08csg28>*
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Gordana
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Fis <fis-bounces en listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Joseph Brenner <
>> joe.brenner en bluewin.ch>
>> *Date: *Monday, 11 May 2020 at 10:36
>> *To: *"fis en listas.unizar.es" <fis en listas.unizar.es>
>> *Subject: *[Fis] Discommunication
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings and best wishes for the health and safety of all.
>>
>>
>>
>> The subject of discommunication, defined as an attempt to pervert the
>> process of communication of information itself, was implicit in our
>> previous discussion. The term is not used rigorously. Miscommunication
>> conveys the same idea as misinformation, failure in communication, for any
>> reason. Discommunication should convey the additional idea of intent to
>> mislead, *etc. *
>>
>>
>>
>> Discommunication seems to me to refer more directly than in the
>> disinformation case to the consequences for the sender as well as receiver.
>> In popular language, one talks about people who “can’t stop lying” or who
>> “lie so much they no longer can discern truth from falsehood”.  One, of
>> many, current examples of discommunication, *grandeur nature*, supports
>> this interpretation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
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