[Fis] FW: Sections in FIS. Mombering Elements and Systems of Them

[Joseph Brenner]

Dear Karl and All.

 

Karl wrote: We invent following alterations to the numbering system: we use
two logical systems that interact. One refers to the sequenced way of
reading the elements of a collection, one refers to the overview way of
reading the collection. To solve the differing requirements posed on the
elements, we individuate the first few of the elements, by expressing them
as tuplets {a,b}. We then sort and order the tuplets. The resulting cycles
assign places to elements: places that differ in dependence of time, space
and other aspects. These aspects we read out of a declination table of
a+b=c. We arrive at the concept of elements that move while the system
undergoes periodic, rhythmic, cyclic changes. The movement patterns connect
elements to each other, thereby producing a more resilient and versatile web
of relations among facts.

 

This concept is of interest since it includes change and movement as
properties of logical elements. Unfortunately, Karl approaches the proposed
system from the epistemological side, which is not the ‘wrong’ one, but the
more limited. If any two systems interact in reality, there is a exchange or
flow of energy of some sort, that is also constitutes by – non-linguistic,
non-Boolean – logical elements. These establish, or rather allow for
understanding of, the “resilient and versatile web of relations” not among
facts, but between real physical processes, including those of information
and meaning generation and transfer.  

 

Karl’s “mombering” approach, by omitting ontological relations and
interactions as primary, yields a system that cannot do the necessary
scientific and philosophical work. The phrase “movement patterns connect
elements” is superfluous, since what connects real elements is energy in
some form, more or less actual or potential, as the case may be.

 

As an epistemological theory “mombering” is not totally naked, but it needs
some ontological clothes to face the cold winds of reality.

 

Best,

 

Joseph 

 

 

  _____  

From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Karl Javorszky
Sent: samedi, 16 novembre 2019 18:54
To: fis
Subject: [Fis] Sections in FIS

 

Sections in FIS – IS4SI
2019 nov 16

 

Let me come forward, once more, with some suggestions. They are presented
with great respect for the academic and social achievements of the right
honourable learned friends in this Scientific Society, to which I have the
honour of belonging for 24 years.

 

1. Excuses for causing irritation

The style of the proposals that follow may, however, appear at first glance
to be lacking in neutral, academic courtesy. A focused, pointed perspective
is used to highlight the semi-swamp that connects to and delineates the Id
from the rational working of the Super-Ego. If we were all as we should be,
we would end up domesticated, therefore dumber, by the rules spelled out by
the Super-Ego. The more successful and acceptable the Teachings of the
social powers that are incorporated into the Super-Ego, the more ossified
and mummified the social system becomes. The etiquette requires that
something that is accepted as common sense true, part of the general
agreement fundamental to the societal order, is being talked about and being
referred to with the utmost respect and in acknowledgement of the fact, that
the speaker shall be dead since long, while the eternal truths shall remain
valid, inalterable and followed. 

Such was the case, e.g. with the God-likeness of the Pharaoh. Many other
examples will come to the mind of the learned friends: the main point is
that the concept of lèse-majesté exists. It is irritating in such a deep
fashion, that punishment is administered, if one shows disrespect towards
established norms, and representants of the norms. The irritation comes from
the confusion caused by the cognitive dissonance generated by bringing
well-ordered concepts into such an order that is different to the one to
which one is accustomed to. The little girl, who cries out: The emperor is
naked! is in fact a social irritant. To come up with a radically new
perspective disturbs the established order; even more so, if the new way of
looking at the mental furniture does have a credibility and is presented in
a frappant manner. Had the message that the emperor is naked come from a
habitual drunkard, lazy bum, the procession could have proceeded, ignoring
the idiot, who does not recognise the elegant refinements of the masterful
creation, done to perfection by the rightly adored high priests of dressing
up a simple idea. 

Enough people have lost their head along the centuries for having vocalised
something that everybody felt needed to be said, but everybody knew at the
same time, that saying it the first time aloud would probably not end to be
a pleasant social success. 

 

2. My Lords, pure necessity forces me to address you in this manner

Unfortunately for science, commerce and industry do also employ clever
people. These have come up with observations, the explanations for which are
alien to our conventional way of thinking. We may keep wanting to go on
congratulating each other on the elegance of the new clothes, but the
applied boys are making clothes, from the same material, which have pockets,
hoodies, backpacks and many other very practical and useful applications. If
we do not pay attention, the competition will take over our core business,
namely the weaving of mental tissues. The interconnectedness of the strands
of their thoughts will turn out to be much more complex and resistant to
tear and wear, and useful in more demanding environments. Our single-layer,
evenly spaced standard cloth gets ripped off in shreds when applied over
thorny concepts; theirs is doubly woven, with two cross-shots further
reinforcing the cloth, and their cloth folds perfectly into 4 on each of 3
sides of the bundle. They can drape this mental web over that what we
factually agree is the governing rule of theoretical genetics: their cloth
is woven such that it appears to be made explicitly to serve the purpose
(like we find the skin of an animal the existence of which we were already
certain of). Either Your Lordships address this uncomfortable situation of
technological progress overtaking us, who pontificate to be the clever among
the clever, or Your Lordships will share the image of the High Priests of
the Pharaoh, who were doubtlessly refined, clever and highly advanced, but
could not cut the mustard against the Romans. 

3. Proposed Sections:


Name

Multiplicators


Circumscription negative

No thoughts of his own. Talks only about what X wrote, as opposed to what Y
wrote.


Advantages

Good knowledge of literature, well connected


Useful if

understands that there is a lot to talk about what a great many of
researchers will write


Helpful as

influencer, trend-setter, marketing, PR, make it viral (be the first to talk
about)

 


Name

Fundamentals


Circumscription negative

Keepers of the faith. Guardians of the scripture. Maintainers of consistent
didactics. Infallible in orthodoxy. Preventers of schisms. Rejecters of
alternatives.


Advantages

Give the nihil obstat. Proclaim the truth. Lay down the laws. Declare
legitimacy. Rule over taxonomy. Create facts in epistemology.


Useful if

understands following dialogue: He: this not possible in numbering system.
Even if objects, represented by numbers, are individuals, numbers do not
wander around on their own. We: ok, so numbering system is incorporated into
more general system (like Newton concepts of movement into Einstein concepts
of movement), making it a special case. Let us call the system based on
mobile numbers the mombering system.


Helpful as

Fountains of legitimacy, acceptability, respectability.

 


Name

Practicals


Circumscription negative

Have given up hope to do something useful. (Statistical artefact of IQ being
> 3 sigma: it is not economical to talk to people expecting them to be
reasonable, because they are not.). A team of salvaged Robinson Crusoes may
not be workable. Complicated to motivate. 


Advantages

Competent and rational. Creates own ideas, too. Can have connections to
industry and commerce. Can shepherd a project from a to z.


Useful if

needs money. Remembers that EU will throw tons of funds to a setup of
universities from 7 member states. Knows a half a dozen already.


Helpful as

Lead scientist, central organiser, coordinator, collaborator. (This is in
size/extent/complexity a Manhattan project!) Name giver. Congress initiator.
Prize winner.

 


Name

Neo-Sumerians


Circumscription negative

Dreamers. Incomprehensible poets. Unprofessional dilettantes. Extreme
hair-splitters. Boringly repetitive monoideists. Bringing in unconnected
ideas. Not really fit for public display.


Advantages

Reinvent the numbering system, making it a mombering system, by dreaming up,
looking at a bunch of things, more details than only their number and place.
Imagine n ladies of the harem, lined up on their diverse advantageous
properties. Do not leave the scene of the psychodrama, while the
contradictions coming from diverse rivalries have not yet consolidated.
(Learned friends of the female persuasion may imagine courtship display
/mating dance/ among males, instead.)


Useful if

checks that the most neutral pecking order is a succession of triplets,
where on each of the three consecutive places one of 4 objects is preferred.
This, in fact, is the actual structure of space. Then, the mechanism is in
neutral gear and nothing specific happens.


Helpful as

Catcher of a concept by its hairs and dragging it to the assembly, to check
how it fits in, and what name could be given to the new detail of the
colossal Tenguely-machine that is the working mombering system, based on
sorting around the elements of the numbering system.

 

4. Summary

We have something to sell. We will have to resign to the fateful fact, that
the mombering system is more complicated – but more versatile and practical
– than the numbering system. If it is true, that the Emperor needs more and
better clothes, then one can ask the Emperor to pay a lot for a new way of
weaving relations among facts. We invent following alterations to the
numbering system: we use two logical systems that interact. One refers to
the sequenced way of reading the elements of a collection, one refers to the
overview way of reading the collection. To solve the differing requirements
posed on the elements, we individuate the first few of the elements, by
expressing them as tuplets {a,b}. We then sort and order the tuplets. The
resulting cycles assign places to elements: places that differ in dependence
of time, space and other aspects. These aspects we read out of a declination
table of a+b=c. We arrive at the concept of elements that move while the
system undergoes periodic, rhythmic, cyclic changes. The movement patterns
connect elements to each other, thereby producing a more resilient and
versatile web of relations among facts.

 

This is a polite, acceptable, neutral, courteous suggestion. The Emperor, as
we know, is passionate about wanting to have the best of woven cloths, so
given a little vitality, the learned friends could profitably suggest to the
courtiers of the Emperor, that an appropriate grant could bring forth
marvellous creations of artistry to adore the Emperor with. 

 

It would be nice to see a self-combusting density causing engagement,
pleasure and industry among the learned friends.

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