[Fis] What is a machine? Numerical Paths. Information Properties
Jerry LR Chandler
jerry_lr_chandler at me.com
Fri Nov 8 06:02:26 CET 2019
List, Annette, Joseph:
My response is below.
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Joseph Brenner <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch> wrote:
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> Dear All,
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> On Nov. 4, 2019, Jerry wrote:
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> It is possible to give a logically rigorous path that connects heteropathic scientific antecedents to emergent heteropathic consequences by numerical paths.
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> My first question is whether or not the numerical paths which connect antecedents and consequences operate without loss of information. If so, such an information channel would seem quite magical. Second, I would greatly appreciate further information or a reference regarding Peirce’s “breadth and comprehension as properties of information”. I can understand breadth, more or less metaphorically, but comprehension is jargon, unless it is a Whiteheadian term I have missed. Thank you.
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> Best wishes,
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> Joseph
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My assertion refers back to your recent assertion, Joseph, stating the absence of a role for numbers in your beliefs about logic or QT or whatever.
The answer to your question about
> which connect antecedents and consequences operate without loss of information.
Is simple enough. Whether information is created or loss depends on the natural of the number system, the natural of the applied operations and the definition of “information”
Shannon designed his communication system such that the mathematics corresponded with electrical transmission signal and, by adding “check bits”, ensured that if the “encoded information” changed during transmission, it would be detected by a change in the number.
My statement was in reference to systems composed of dynamic attractors and repellers, such as found in both animate and inanimate things (as mathematical objects), including possible abductive potentialities. (I presume physical laws are followed and that the forces are electrical).
If the logical operation is additive, new information is created.
If the logical operation is subtractive, old information lost and the remaining information is reformed.
You asked about the references to CSPeirce (1839-1913) on information.
As some readers may know, CSP was among the first Chemists trained in the USA.
I do not have the computer search program for his writings, so it required a bit of searching.
From a scientific perspective, one can interpret vast swaths of his writings to be motivated by the tensions between mathematical / logical truths and chemical facts during the second half of the 2oth Century.. Most philosophers who study his works are chemically illiterate. Consequently, much of the philosophical secondary literature is unreliable and frequently outright implausible.
That being said, his earlier writings, in volumes 1,2 and 3, often refer to “information”.
He even uses an EQUATION,
Extension x Comprehension = Information.
See: Writings, Volume 1, Harvard Lecture X, p.272-286. (1865)
Writings, Volume 3, Lowell Lectures, VII, 454-471. (1866)
Cheers
Jerry
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> From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Jerry LR Chandler
> Sent: lundi, 4 novembre 2019 03:01
> To: fis
> Cc: annette.grathoff at is4si.org
> Subject: Re: [Fis] What is a machine?
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> List,
> Hi Annette,
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> On Nov 3, 2019, at 4:42 PM, annette.grathoff at is4si.org <mailto:annette.grathoff at is4si.org> wrote:
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> ...where a centralized nervous system and brain analyses signals incoming from many different cells and sub-cellular systems and integrates them into a global feeling which aids as evaluation capacity in decision making. Descartes had to deliberately exclude this topic from the sciences for reasons quite understandable at his times, but today?
> Is the evaluation capacity and evaluation depth of machines in any way comparable to the one of biological systems or is it a complete new path in the history of prioritizing?
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> Thank you for focusing a deeper perspective on the well-worn metaphors about mathematical machines.
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> What do you think is the role of information-bearing symbols in the possible forms of machines?
> Is there a truth function that connects abstract machines to the logic of reality?
> (Is this the constraint that you believe Descarte declined to address?) The bipolarity of Quantum theory (QED) seems to address the your issues from a sub-atomic perspective. Or hav I mis-interpreted you intended meaning?
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> Numerous scientific symbol systems are used routinely in the everyday pragmatism of doing science of reality. Why? Why so many different symbol systems? Are numerous symbol systems actually necessary for human communication of information?
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> Can you imagine one “machine language” that could serve to communicate information, irrespective of the particular scientific symbols used by humans?
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> The writings of C S Peirce (breath and comprehension as properties of information) and of J S Mills (homeopathic and heteropathic representational structures of emergence) seem to lurking in the philosophic ether that motivates these distinctions.
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> W.R.T
>> Is the evaluation capacity and evaluation depth of machines in any way comparable to the one of biological systems or is it a complete new path in the history of prioritizing?
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> It is possible to give a logically rigorous path that connects heteropathic scientific antecedents to emergent heteropathic consequences by numerical paths. Such a path embraces the notion of mappings between scientific notations and correspondence between the logical terms of scientific notations. I published a short paper on this in a conference proceedings a couple of years ago; the thread of logic is by extension of scale and by abductive scopes of meanings of propositional terms.
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> Cheers
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> Jerry
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