[Fis] Pause to Wait Pedro's New Year Lecture!

Joseph Brenner joe.brenner at bluewin.ch
Fri Dec 27 19:38:32 CET 2019

Dear All,


Again in the interest of seeking new forms of expression, I state that there
is and there is not such a link. What this means for me is that neither
science can or should be reified. Computer science captures part of what is
in information science, but not the part which is dependent on
non-algorithmic, qualitative properties of information processes. 


Since these properties are not captured either in the citation environment
studies made by Loet, the domain I describe has perhaps indirect links
orthogonal to those shown. However, I feel information science is ‘large’
enough to include information sociology as a home for them.


Best wishes,





From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Loet
Sent: vendredi, 27 décembre 2019 07:20
To: fis
Subject: [Fis] Pause to Wait Pedro's New Year Lecture!


In my opinion, there is indeed a link between computer science and

information science.

Isn't it?

If it can be demonstrated that there is not, it would be a result of

crucial importance for the FIS community.

But it is likely that it is a matter of opinion, and that such a

result cannot be decided.


The picture attached shows that there is NOT such a direct link.  It is
based on the citation environments (citing and cited) of JASIST. Three
clusters are distinguished: 


1. Library and information sciences

2. Information management

3. computer science


I hope that the system allows for the transmission. 




Best wishes,




Le ven. 27 déc. 2019 à 00:57, Xueshan Yan <yxs at pku.edu.cn> a écrit :


Dear Michel and Krassimir,


Thank you for your very important comments. I especially appreciate
Krassimir's "Computer science is an engineering science" and the hint that
Shannon thinks "His theory was not about information".


We are about to cross the boundary between 2019 and 2020. At this moment,
Pedro will give a New Year Lecture every year. Here, he will summarize the
FIS’s discussions in the past year and put forward the systematic
arrangement in the next year. In his lecture, we usually can find some
exciting ideas. So let's pause the current internal discussion on IS4SI's
work and wait for Pedro's lecture.


Best wishes





From: Krassimir Markov <markov at foibg.com>

Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:34 PM

To: Michel Petitjean <petitjean.chiral at gmail.com>; Yan Xueshan <yxs at pku.edu.

Cc: Marcin SCHROEDER <mjs at aiu.ac.jp>; 钟义信 <zyx at bupt.edu.cn>;
annette.grathoff <annette.grathoff at is4si.org>; fis <fis at listas.unizar.es>;
mark burgin <markburg at cs.ucla.edu>; Wolfgang Hofkirchner
<wolfgang.hofkirchner at is4si.org>; take <take at digital-narcis.org>; czc0910
<czc0910 at 163.com>; denizhan <denizhan at boun.edu.tr>; jdian
<jdian at unileon.es>; Gustavo Saldanha <saldanhaquim at gmail.com>; 邬
<wukun at mail.xjtu.edu.cn>; Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>;
Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <gordana.dodig-crnkovic at chalmers.se>; leb
<leb at create.aau.dk>; sbr.msc <sbr.msc at cbs.dk>

Subject: "The Bandwagon" !


Dear Xueshan, Michel, Marcin, and FIS Colleagues,


I answer to your closed discussion, because Michel has posted it in FIS


Culinary science is different from the science of making pots!

Pots are just one of the technical tools that culinary science uses, but the
end product of culinary science is the food, no matter with what means it is


But neither the culinary science nor the science of pots can correctly
define the concept of "delicious"!


Computer science is the engineering science of creating data processing
tools, as well as the science of data processing itself with computers.


Please read Shannon's article "The Bandwagon"

He made it clear that his theory was not about information, it is just a
theory of data transmission and it is too dangerous to transmit its results
beyond the field of data transmission (communication).


Some colleagues confuse “data” and “information” concepts.

Replace the word "information" in their writings with the word "data" and
you will get brilliant theories.


The same applies to all other sciences - they can help with the right tools
and experiments, but they can't define the concept of "information"


The concept of "information" is a philosophical one and only in philosophy
is it possible to give a good definition to be used by other sciences.


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Warm friendly greetings,





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