[Fis] Anticipatory Systems--second thoughts

[Pedro C. Marijuan]

Stan, List,

I was thinking that those questions (below) or what, why, how, etc. are 
not very useful either in order to ascertain "causality" around 
communication phenomena. First, a communication is not "monologic" as 
the Aristotelian scheme presupposes (at least implicitly) but "dialogic" 
as it is a dialog between two parties who have different experiences, 
backgrounds, preferences, valence, "logics", etc.  Thus the pieces of 
communication between two or more parties cannot be explained 
monologically, but establishing something else: a story, a narrative 
where the relevant antecedent facts, the life stories of the 
protagonists, the current or previous background, the exchanges 
themselves, etc. are expressed with economy or "optimality" depending on 
the explanatory purposes...  So very different narratives may be needed 
(including the elaboration of "data") even about a single communication 
or interactive exchange. In any event, the common factor is 
happenstances around life cycles or life courses. Narratives are but 
complex pieces of information --causative or descriptive-- that we 
naturally elaborate and interpret around the social life around. And 
this may dovetail with the views of Akerlof & Shiller on narratives in 
"phishing for phools" economics...
Does this make "informational" sense?
Best--Pedro

El 21/10/2018 a las 20:58, Pedro C. Marijuan escribió:
>
> To Stan: Thanks for incorporating the four Aristotelian causes below. 
> But do you think they are useful or well suited for communicational 
> phenomena? Rather they respond better to the single agent or designer 
> arranging a piece of the inanimate world to his/her plans. See the 
> traditional metaphor of the sculptor carving out the statue. But 
> communication and narratives could be different.  Seemingly they 
> respond better to questions such as: What? (Content) To whom? 
> (interlocutor) Why? (reasons or purpose) How? (style, moods, manners) 
> How long? (duration of the engagement, transitions). I think that when 
> cells indulge in their molecular narratives or when we do communicate 
> with our stories the causal analysis becomes different from the 
> Aistotelian frame. It could be a good point to search out.
>
> Best wishes to all
> --Pedro
>
>  El 19/10/2018 a las 15:49, Stanley N Salthe escribió:
>> On the topic of information as narration:
>>
>> Information as Narrative (would involve serial ‘statements’)
>>
>> Formal cause (of narrative) ...  the presence of available channels 
>> (in nature and/or culture) for informative energy flows
>>
>> Material cause ...  available energy gradients for required actions 
>> generating the narrative
>>
>> Efficient cause(s) ...  serial actions having sequential cumulative 
>> effects on the result of information flow in such a channel
>>
>> Final cause ...  anticipated subsequents as effects of the narrative
>>
>>  (Anticipation requires system survival over a period of time, during 
>> which impingements were survived, sometimes by way of internal 
>> modification -- Rosen, 1985, Anticipatory Systems)
>>
>> STAN
>>
>>
>>
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