[Fis] : Anticipatory Systems

Xueshan Yan yxs at pku.edu.cn
Mon Nov 5 06:42:04 CET 2018

Dear Colleagues,

Let’s return to the core theme of narrative/story of this session--a very
valuable direction in information studies. Here I would like provide some
historical achievements which were developed by other related disciplines
and give some comments related to Pedro’s early consideration. If no evident
specifications, the default effectiveness only be limited to human

1. Surface Structure of Information: Word, Sentence, Discourse

According to the linguistic research in the past decades, the surface
structure of information can be divided into three levels: word, sentence,
and discourse (also called text). Some people think that clause and
paragraph should be added to them, but they are not generally recognized
because they have not put forward effective results. For a long time, word
and sentence research has achieved almost perfect theoretical results, while
discourse research is still under exploration. The most famous work about
discourse research formed by Teun A. van Dijk of the Netherlands, whose
theory of News Schemata which he put forward in 1986 reached the peak in
this aspect. Since then, the whole discourse theory has never got important
achievement until today. Word, Sentence, and Discourse are the surface
structure of information (meaning) existing as physical sign form.

2. Narrative: A Special Discourse

Narration is a kind of describing behavior of information, and its result is
narrative. Narrative is a special discourse, which focuses on the
description of one or more events or others. It is mainly applied in the
humanities, especially in literature and history. Natural science and
engineering science generally do not use this concept. The soul of a
narrative is that it must have story. A story is a narrative that was
constituted of one or more figures' thoughts, words, and actions as the main
line. The record of one's daily life could be narrative and there is not
always story in it. The yearbook records everything but there is not
necessarily a story there. Story is the basic premise of novel, ballad,
lullaby, opera, song, music, painting, etc. The most typical study of story
is carried out by folklorists, psychologists, and linguists, such as Smith
Thompson, Jean Mandler, David Rumelhart and others, they have put forward
the theory of motif, plot, and story grammar in 1970s, but their research is
still difficult now. Behind Discourse, Narrative, and Story, there are
complex and interesting information issues.

3. Stratification and Reduction: An Inevitable Way to Develop Information

In a 2002 post, Pedro summed up an interesting idea: Cell-Brain-Firm, it
also be expressed as Cell-Brain-Society sometime. It implied information
stratification existentialities and could make people separate information
research on cell from information research on society. However, this idea
has received little attention from our FIS/UTI circle afterwards. In my
opinion, the problem perhaps is that the consideration is defective at
logical level. I have coined two concepts in my research, one is "Inforware"
and the other is "Communication-dipole" which can explain this problem. An
Inforware is a physical object consisting of Information, Sign, and
Substrate. A pair of Inforwares that can communicates each other is called a
Communication-dipole. An Inforware can holds information, and a
Communication-dipole can transmits information.

Analyzing Pedro's idea, both of cell and brain are organism, they can be
consider as Inforwares and of course can form Communication-dipole to
communicate each other, but a society cannot be consider as Inforware and we
cannot find an opponent to communicate with unless we consider it as an
Inforware and can communicate with other society as a whole, such as a panda
society or a rice society. So, if Pedro agrees, I would like to revise the
Cell-Brain-Firm idea to Molecule-Cell-Brain idea (of course, should plus
elementary particle and mechanical product in somewhere of it.). All
Molecules, Cells, and Brains can be consider as Inforwares and of course can
form Communication-dipoles to communicate. Information research inside brain
is a biology task, and outside brain is a (Human/Social) Informatics task.
Stratification and Reduction analysis is the way to develop information
studies inevitably in the future.

(The above discussions have been described in detail in my book Information
Science: Concept, System and Perspective, (2016)).


Best wishes to all,


From: fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> On Behalf
Of Joseph Brenner
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 4:53 PM
To: fis at listas.unizar.es
Subject: [Fis] FW: Anticipatory Systems. Vicious Coherence


Dear Pedro and All,


Despite the promising start, I think we are indeed missing a central element
and more importantly its function, which may not be to bring coherence as
such but a proper view of the co-existence and co-operation of coherence and
incoherence/decoherence, consistency and inconsistency, coincidence and
decoincidence, certitude and incertitude. In a world/context where we are
confronted daily with the vicious coherence of a quasi-fascist system, not
taking it into account would make the FIS discussion worse than incorrect;
it would make it irrelevant.


The tools to formally capture at least the part of living cyclical processes
that can be so ‘captured’ (binary concept, again) may look quite differently
from those we are used to. I have suggested that the dances and rhythms – to
use Pedro’s excellent image – can be not modelled but described by reference
to a contradictorial dynamics of motion from actuality to potentiality and
back plus a basis for emergence. As simply as I can put them, here are some
further things I believe need to be addressed as a consequence:


1.      Simple references to cycles and cyclicity, ignoring the sinusoidal
development of natural phenomena, which suggest a return to an identical
point on the curve, should be avoided.

2.      It should be obvious to Karl and others that an alternative to
“classical Wittgenstein logic” exists, namely Logic in Reality, but its
explanatory capacity has simply been ignored. Why? My discussion of a logic
for macroscopic processes can be found in a recent Physics arXiv article.

3.      Pedro’s point about ‘multi-time’ has also been addressed in my
logical system, basically, by suggesting a more interactive relation between
time and space than is possible in classical mechanics. 

4.      Karl, your formulation, in my humble opinion, includes another error
if my point of view is at least accepted for discussion: you have intuition
and instinct on one side, and ‘science’ and certitude on the other. The
statement of the problem in dichotomous terms is part of the problem.

5.      Unless the cases are constructed and limited, attempting to foretell
the future is a Promethean objective which will bring its own punishment.


I look forward, still, to some minimum exchange on the above. Cheers,


Joseph (Epimetheus)



From: Fis [ <mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es>
mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan
Sent: mercredi, 31 octobre 2018 21:53
To:  <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es> fis at listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Anticipatory Systems


Dear Karl and List,

Sorry that I could not answer earlier (accumulation of other writing
duties). I was flabbergasted by your Allegory. Chapeau! Apart from the high
style and the charm and the elegant Martianus Capella background, it is a
wise move presenting your "algebra" as cyclicity interactions. Good luck in
this new explanatory direction! I think it can contribute to enlighten the
"stories" intrinsic rhythmicity. 

Not being blessed by the Muses I must confine myself to the prosaic
commentary... That Nature operates something does not mean that our
disciplines can explain it coherently across logico-formal paths. How many
procedimental simplifications are needed to traverse from quantum dynamics
to, say, the atomic bond or the molecular structure? But I do not criticize
those breaches, conversely they are a tribute to scientific ingenuity. And
now traversing to the human information (or even to biological information)
... is it feasible without acknowledging the horrendous existing gaps? Even
more, aren't we missing a central element that brings coherence to the
overall dances and rhythms around biological/neuronal information? I mean,
the life cycle.

Let us remind Gibson's ecological perception theory. When we confront an
environment we do not perceive it piece-meal, at least in the important
motifs. We do not feel the ineffable tiger's sensory impressions as
disconnected, but forming a well integrated whole that motivates an adaptive
response--either freezing, or flying, or heroically fighting. The tiger, or
better the rabbit, is an ecosystem's "affordance" that is important for our
life, either to eat or to not be eaten. So, we demand perceptual/motor
coherence, but with respect to what? Of course: to the maintenance of our
life. I mean, the life cycle. 

Going back to stories, we may take them as genuine encapsulations (a better
word of choice?) of the social "affordances" we are naturally immersed by
living within our societies. It is our ecosystem, and we may see many
different affordances, and we may craft many stories to interconnect them,
to "mirror" them. Again, there should be a coherence: around what? Around
our life cycle and the lives of our audience. The structure is far more
complex now, but who said that solving the neuronal "binding problem" around
our percepts was simple?

Many thanks to Mark (coherently!!). Also I would like to be able to respond
to other demands from Jerry, but here is my counter-demand: could you
adventure tools to formally capture such a multi-time, multi-rhythm being as
a life-cycle in progress?

Best wishes to all,

El 29/10/2018 a las 16:32, Karl Javorszky escribió:



Learned Friends,


We deal with the observation, that biologic organisms anticipate what will
happen next. Some concentrate on the narrative of the anticipation, some on
the phenomena that are anticipated. As a human faculty, anticipation can
range from intuition, guess, instinct, to prediction and certitude. Science
has more or less dealt with certitude (b follows from a) and has understood
prediction (if a then p(b) ~ x). Now we work our way towards understanding
instinctive prediction.

The utility and efficacy of the narrative version of anticipation varies
also greatly: we have the wish formulae, where faith and belief causes
anticipating an effect (if I say “please” they will give that to me),
magical incantations with powerful words, inputting arguments of an
algorithm in the hope of receiving a result, and the classical case of the
words of the narrative being one and inseparable from the facts that are the
case (the DNA is a narrative of what will happen, and its predictions are in
the closest possible way related to the facts of the matter the narrative
talks about). (Interactive online reporting, where the narration is a part
of the process.)

We do have some difficulties with a running narration, because such a thing
as telling the future has no place in classical, Wittgenstein logic and the
corresponding narrative about the proceedings. That, what will come into
existence is presently not the case. Whichever way we turn it, we are not
supposed to talk about things that are not the case. 


Foretelling the future (anticipating correctly) is a task that humans can
despair of. This problem being with us since the beginning of time, it has
been addressed by many generations using diverse lexica. Bruno’s suggestion
that we have no shy using words and concepts of theology is a wise one: Our
forefathers expressed themselves in allegories involving divine figures.
This has given me courage to present to you an Allegory on the Seduction of
Arithmetica by Amor, with a bow to Martianus Capella. May your serene
judgement of this non-polished draft be softened by magnanimous mercy
extended against a beginner.



Seduction of Arithmetica by Amor (20181028)


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