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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=ZH-CN link=blue vlink=blue><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US>Dear Colleagues,</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US>Let</span><span style='font-family:DengXian'>’</span><span lang=EN-US>s return to the core theme of narrative/story of this session--a very valuable direction in information studies. Here I would like provide some historical achievements which were developed by other related disciplines and give some comments related to Pedro</span><span style='font-family:DengXian'>’</span><span lang=EN-US>s early consideration. If no evident specifications, the default effectiveness only be limited to human atmosphere.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><b><span lang=EN-US>1. Surface Structure of Information: Word, Sentence, Discourse<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US>According to the linguistic research in the past decades, the surface structure of information can be divided into three levels: word, sentence, and discourse (also called text). Some people think that clause and paragraph should be added to them, but they are not generally recognized because they have not put forward effective results. For a long time, word and sentence research has achieved almost perfect theoretical results, while discourse research is still under exploration. The most famous work about discourse research formed by Teun A. van Dijk of the Netherlands, whose theory of News Schemata which he put forward in 1986 reached the peak in this aspect. Since then, the whole discourse theory has never got important achievement </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>until today.</span><span lang=EN-US> Word, Sentence, and Discourse are the surface structure of information (meaning) existing as physical sign form.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><b><span lang=EN-US>2. Narrative: A Special Discourse<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Narration is a kind of describing behavior of information,</span><span lang=EN-US> and its result is narrative. Narrative is a special discourse, which focuses on the description of one or more events or others. It is mainly applied in the humanities, especially in literature and history. Natural science and engineering science generally do not use this concept. The soul of a narrative is that it must have story. A story is a narrative that was constituted of one or more figures' thoughts, words, and actions as the main line. The record of one's daily life could be narrative and there is not always story in it. The yearbook records everything but there is not </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>necessarily a story there. Story is the basic premise of novel, ballad, lullaby, opera, song, music, painting, etc. The most typical study of story is carried out by folklorists, psychologists, and linguists, such as Smith Thompson, Jean Mandler, David Rumelhart and others, they have put forward the theory of motif, plot, and story grammar in 1970s, but their research is still difficult now.</span><span lang=EN-US> Behind Discourse, Narrative, and Story, there are complex and interesting information issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><b><span lang=EN-US>3. Stratification and Reduction: An Inevitable Way to Develop Information Studies<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US>In a 2002 post, Pedro summed up an interesting idea: Cell-Brain-Firm, it also be expressed as Cell-Brain-Society sometime. It implied information </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>stratification existentialities and could make people separate information research on cell from information research on society. However, this idea has received little attention from our FIS/UTI circle afterwards. In my opinion, the problem perhaps is that the consideration is defective at logical level. I have coined two concepts in my research, one is "Inforware" and the other is "Communication-dipole" which can explain this problem. An Inforware is a physical object consisting of Information, Sign, and Substrate. A pair of</span><span lang=EN-US> Inforwares that can communicates each other is called a Communication-dipole. An Inforware can holds information, and a Communication-dipole can transmits information.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US>Analyzing Pedro's idea, both of cell and brain are organism, they can be consider as Inforwares and of course can form Communication-dipole to communicate each other, but a society cannot be consider as Inforware and we cannot find an </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>opponent</span><span lang=EN-US> to communicate with unless we consider it as an Inforware and can communicate with other society as a whole, such as a panda society or a rice society. So, if Pedro agrees, I would like to revise the Cell-Brain-Firm idea to Molecule-Cell-Brain idea (of course, should plus elementary particle and mechanical product in somewhere of it.). All Molecules, Cells, and Brains can be consider as Inforwares and of course can form Communication-dipoles to communicate. Information research inside brain is a biology task, and outside brain is a (Human/Social) Informatics task. Stratification and Reduction analysis is the way to develop information studies inevitably in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US>(The above discussions have been described in detail in my book <i>Information Science: Concept, System and Perspective</i>, (2016)).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;text-indent:20.0pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US>Best wishes to all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:4.65pt;line-height:17.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US>Xueshan<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph Brenner<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 1, 2018 4:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> fis@listas.unizar.es<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] FW: Anticipatory Systems. Vicious Coherence<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Dear Pedro and All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Despite the promising start, I think we are indeed missing a central element and more importantly its function, which may not be to bring coherence as such but a proper view of the co-existence and co-operation of coherence and incoherence/decoherence, consistency and inconsistency, coincidence and decoincidence, certitude and incertitude. In a world/context where we are confronted daily with the vicious coherence of a quasi-fascist system, not taking it into account would make the FIS discussion worse than incorrect; it would make it irrelevant.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>The tools to formally capture at least the part of living cyclical processes that can be so ‘captured’ (binary concept, again) may look quite differently from those we are used to. I have suggested that the dances and rhythms – to use Pedro’s excellent image – can be not modelled but described by reference to a contradictorial dynamics of motion from actuality to potentiality and back plus a basis for emergence. As simply as I can put them, here are some further things I believe need to be addressed as a consequence:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Simple references to cycles and cyclicity, ignoring the sinusoidal development of natural phenomena, which suggest a return to an identical point on the curve, should be avoided.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>It should be obvious to Karl and others that an alternative to “classical Wittgenstein logic” exists, namely Logic in Reality, but its explanatory capacity has simply been ignored. Why? My discussion of a logic for macroscopic processes can be found in a recent Physics <i>arXiv </i>article.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Pedro’s point about ‘multi-time’ has also been addressed in my logical system, basically, by suggesting a more interactive relation between time and space than is possible in classical mechanics. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Karl, your formulation, in my humble opinion, includes another error if my point of view is at least accepted for discussion: you have intuition and instinct on one side, and ‘science’ and certitude on the other. The statement of the problem in dichotomous terms is part of the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Unless the cases are constructed and limited, attempting to foretell the future is a Promethean objective which will bring its own punishment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>I look forward, still, to some minimum exchange on the above. Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Joseph (Epimetheus)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> Fis [</span><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pedro C. Marijuan<br><b>Sent:</b> mercredi, 31 octobre 2018 21:53<br><b>To:</b> </span><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>fis@listas.unizar.es</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] Anticipatory Systems</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR>Dear Karl and List,<br><br>Sorry that I could not answer earlier (accumulation of other writing duties). I was flabbergasted by your Allegory. Chapeau! Apart from the high style and the charm and the elegant Martianus Capella background, it is a wise move presenting your "algebra" as cyclicity interactions. Good luck in this new explanatory direction! I think it can contribute to enlighten the "stories" intrinsic rhythmicity. <br><br>Not being blessed by the Muses I must confine myself to the prosaic commentary... That Nature operates something does not mean that our disciplines can explain it coherently across logico-formal paths. How many procedimental simplifications are needed to traverse from quantum dynamics to, say, the atomic bond or the molecular structure? But I do not criticize those breaches, conversely they are a tribute to scientific ingenuity. And now traversing to the human information (or even to biological information) ... is it feasible without acknowledging the horrendous existing gaps? Even more, aren't we missing a central element that brings coherence to the overall dances and rhythms around biological/neuronal information? I mean, the life cycle.<br><br>Let us remind Gibson's ecological perception theory. When we confront an environment we do not perceive it piece-meal, at least in the important motifs. We do not feel the ineffable tiger's sensory impressions as disconnected, but forming a well integrated whole that motivates an adaptive response--either freezing, or flying, or heroically fighting. The tiger, or better the rabbit, is an ecosystem's "affordance" that is important for our life, either to eat or to not be eaten. So, we demand perceptual/motor coherence, but with respect to what? Of course: to the maintenance of our life. I mean, the life cycle. <br><br>Going back to stories, we may take them as genuine encapsulations (a better word of choice?) of the social "affordances" we are naturally immersed by living within our societies. It is our ecosystem, and we may see many different affordances, and we may craft many stories to interconnect them, to "mirror" them. Again, there should be a coherence: around what? Around our life cycle and the lives of our audience. The structure is far more complex now, but who said that solving the neuronal "binding problem" around our percepts was simple?<br><br>Many thanks to Mark (coherently!!). Also I would like to be able to respond to other demands from Jerry, but here is my counter-demand: could you adventure tools to formally capture such a multi-time, multi-rhythm being as a life-cycle in progress?<br><br>Best wishes to all,<br>--Pedro <br><br>El 29/10/2018 a las 16:32, Karl Javorszky escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><u><span lang=DE-AT style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Anticipation</span></u><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=DE-AT style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=DE-AT style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Learned Friends,</span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=DE-AT style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We deal with the observation, that biologic organisms anticipate what will happen next. Some concentrate on the narrative of the anticipation, some on the phenomena that are anticipated. As a human faculty, anticipation can range from intuition, guess, instinct, to prediction and certitude. Science has more or less dealt with certitude (b follows from a) and has understood prediction (if a then p(b) ~ x). Now we work our way towards understanding instinctive prediction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The utility and efficacy of the narrative version of anticipation varies also greatly: we have the wish formulae, where faith and belief causes anticipating an effect (if I say “please” they will give that to me), magical incantations with powerful words, inputting arguments of an algorithm in the hope of receiving a result, and the classical case of the words of the narrative being one and inseparable from the facts that are the case (the DNA is a narrative of what will happen, and its predictions are in the closest possible way related to the facts of the matter the narrative talks about). (Interactive online reporting, where the narration is a part of the process.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We do have some difficulties with a running narration, because such a thing as telling the future has no place in classical, Wittgenstein logic and the corresponding narrative about the proceedings. That, what will come into existence is presently not the case. Whichever way we turn it, we are not supposed to talk about things that are not the case. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:105%'><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Foretelling the future (anticipating correctly) is a task that humans can despair of. This problem being with us since the beginning of time, it has been addressed by many generations using diverse lexica. Bruno’s suggestion that we have no shy using words and concepts of theology is a wise one: Our forefathers expressed themselves in allegories involving divine figures. This has given me courage to present to you an Allegory on the Seduction of Arithmetica by Amor, with a bow to Martianus Capella. 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