[Fis] Welcome to Knowledge Market and the FIS Sci-coins

Wed Mar 28 23:10:27 CEST 2018

*Dear Arturo,
Set theory is a particular case of named set theory. If s**et theory 
solves some problem, then **named set theory solves the same problem. 
Use logic and some knowledge and you'll see truth.

Sincerely,
Mark
*
On 3/21/2018 11:48 PM, tozziarturo at libero.it wrote:
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> the named set theory does not solve the Russell paradox.
>
> Therefore  it would be better to use, in such approaches, the best 
> theory available, i.e., the Fraenkel-Zermelo sets.
>
> In turn, the latter displays some limits: for example, the need of a 
> set with infinite elements.
>
> Therefore, set theory is not able to tackle information problems.
>
> You have to go back to other mathematical approaches.
>
>
>> Il 21 marzo 2018 alle 23.42 "Burgin, Mark" <mburgin at math.ucla.edu> ha 
>> scritto:
>>
>> Dear Krassimir and other FISers,
>>
>> After reading the interesting contribution of Krassimir, I would like 
>> to share with you some of my impressions and ideas.
>>
>> I like very much the term INFOS suggested by Krassimir. It’s possible 
>> to suggest that Krassimir assumed the following definition.
>> An INFOS is a system functioning (behavior) of which is regulated by 
>> information.
>> This definition implies that each INFOS has an information processor.
>> Then it is possible to distinguish different categories and types of 
>> INFOS. For instance:
>>      INFOS only with acceptors/receptors
>>      INFOS only with effectors
>>      INFOS with both acceptors/receptors and effectors
>> Then it is possible to develop an interesting theory of INFOS.
>>
>> At the same time, the difference between reality and consciousness 
>> needs improvement because what many people mean using the word 
>> reality is actually only one of the variety of realities, namely, the 
>> physical or material reality, while consciousness is a part of the 
>> mental reality. It is possible to find more information about 
>> different realities and their interaction in the book (Burgin, 
>> Structural Reality, 2012). Please, don’t confuse Structural Reality 
>> with virtual reality.
>>
>> One more issue from the interesting contribution of Krassimir, which 
>> allows further development, is the structure of a model. Namely, the 
>> relation (s, e, r) between a model s of an entity r forms not simply 
>> a triple but a fundamental triad, which is also called a named set.
>>
>> Why this is important? The reason to conceive the structure (s, e, r) 
>> as a fundamental triad or a named set is that there is an advanced 
>> mathematical theory of named sets, the most comprehensive exposition 
>> of which is in the book (Burgin, Theory of Named Sets, 2011), and it 
>> is possible to use this mathematical theory for studying and using 
>> models. For instance, the structure from Figure 1 in Krassimir’s 
>> letter is a morphism of named sets. Named set theory describes many 
>> properties of such morphism and categories built of named sets and 
>> their morphism. The structures from Figure 2 in Krassimir’s letter 
>> are chains of named sets, which are also studied in named set theory.
>>
>> To conclude it is necessary to understand that if we want to apply 
>> mathematics in some area it is necessary to use adequate areas of 
>> mathematics. As Roger Bacon wrote, All science requires mathematics, 
>> but mathematics provides different devices that are suited to 
>> different input. In this respect, when you give good quality grains 
>> to a mathematical mill, it outputs good quality flour, while if you 
>> put the same grains into a mathematical petrol engine, it outputs trash.
>>
>> The theory of named sets might be very useful for information studies 
>> because named sets and their chains allow adequate reflection of 
>> information and information processes.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Mark
>>
>> On 3/11/2018 3:34 PM, Krassimir Markov wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> This letter contains more than one theme, so it is structured as follow:
>>>
>>> - next step in “mental model” explanation;
>>>
>>> - about “Knowledge market”, FIS letters’ sequences and FIS Sci-coins.
>>>
>>> *1. The next step in “mental model” explanation:*
>>>
>>> Let remember shortly my letter from 05.03.2018.
>>>
>>> To avoid misunderstandings with concepts Subject, agent, animal, 
>>> human, society, humanity, living creatures, etc., in [1] we use the 
>>> abstract concept “INFOS” to denote every of them as well as all of 
>>> artificial creatures which has features similar to the former ones.
>>>
>>> Infos has possibility to reflect the reality via receptors and to 
>>> operate with received reflections in its memory. The opposite is 
>>> possible - via effectors Infos has possibility to realize in reality 
>>> some of its (self-) reflections from its consciousness.
>>>
>>> The commutative diagram on Figure 1 represents modeling relations. 
>>> In the frame of diagram:
>>>
>>> - in reality: real models: s is a model of r,
>>>
>>> - in consciousness: mental models: s_i is a mental model of r_i ;
>>>
>>> - between reality and consciousness: perceiving data and creating 
>>> mental models: triple (s_i , e_i , r_i ) is a mental model of triple 
>>> (s, e, r).
>>>
>>> It is easy to imagine the case when the Infos realizes its 
>>> reflections using its effectors, i.e. relation between consciousness 
>>> and reality: realizing mental models and creating data. In this case 
>>> the receptors’ arrows should be replaces by opposite effectors’ 
>>> arrows. In this case triple (s, e, r) is a realization of the mental 
>>> model (s_i , e_i , r_i ).
>>>
>>> clip_image002
>>>
>>> Figure 1
>>>
>>> After creating the mental model it may be reflected by other levels 
>>> of consciousness. In literature several such levels are described. 
>>> For instance, in [2], six levels are separated for humans (Figure 
>>> 2). The complexity of Infos determines the levels. For instance, for 
>>> societies the levels are much more, for animals with no neo-cortex 
>>> the levels a less.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> image
>>>
>>> Figure 2. [2]
>>>
>>> This means that the mental models are on different consciousness 
>>> levels and different types (for instance - touch, audition, vision).
>>>
>>> In [2], Jeff Hawkins had remarked: “The transformation— from fast 
>>> changing to slow changing and from spatially specific to spatially 
>>> invariant— is well documented for vision. And although there is a 
>>> smaller body of evidence to prove it, many neuroscientists believe 
>>> you'd find the same thing happening in all the sensory areas of your 
>>> cortex, not just in vision” [2].
>>>
>>> As it is shown on Figure 2 mental models are in very large range 
>>> from spatially specific to spatially invariant; from fast changing 
>>> to slow changing; from “features” and “details” to objects”.
>>>
>>> To be continued...
>>>
>>> *2.Aabout “Knowledge market”, FIS letters’ sequences and FIS Sci-coins.*
>>>
>>> The block-chain idea is not new. All forums and mailing lists have 
>>> the possibility to organize incoming messages in internally 
>>> connected sequences. The new is the Bit-coin, i.e. the price for 
>>> including a message in the sequence received after successful 
>>> solving a difficult task.
>>>
>>> What we have in FIS are letters’ sequences already created for many 
>>> years. What is needed to start using them is to be strictly when we 
>>> answer to any letter not to change the “Subject” of the letter. The 
>>> list archive may help us to follow the sequences - only what is 
>>> needed to ask sorting by [ Subject ] 
>>> <http://www.ithea.org/pipermail/ithea-iss/2018-March/subject.html>. 
>>> We may sort by [ Thread ] 
>>> <http://www.ithea.org/pipermail/ithea-iss/2018-March/thread.html> [ 
>>> Subject ] 
>>> <http://www.ithea.org/pipermail/ithea-iss/2018-March/subject.html> [ 
>>> Author ] 
>>> <http://www.ithea.org/pipermail/ithea-iss/2018-March/author.html> [ 
>>> Date ] <http://www.ithea.org/pipermail/ithea-iss/2018-March/date.html>.
>>>
>>> This means that the letter corresponds to the block, and the 
>>> sequence of letters corresponds to the chain.
>>>
>>> What about the currency?
>>>
>>> In [3] we had introduced the new concept “Knowledge marked”. It is 
>>> remembered in [4] where the approach for measuring the scientific 
>>> contributions was proposed. It was proposed to use the “paper” as 
>>> basic measurement unit. Now I may say, the paper is our “Sci-coin”. 
>>> This Sci-coin is convertible to real currencies - it is wide 
>>> accepted the price of a paper to be downloaded as pdf-file is about 
>>> 30-35 EURO or USD.
>>>
>>> Finally, the paper “Data versus Information” [5] is an example of a 
>>> FIS Sci-coin mined from the letters’ sequences.
>>>
>>> As we had seen, it is not so easy to “mine the Sci-coin”!
>>>
>>> Friendly greetings
>>>
>>> Krassimir
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> [1] Kr. Markov, Kr. Ivanova, I. Mitov. Basic Structure of the 
>>> General Information Theory. IJ ITA, Vol.14, No.: 1, 2007. pp. 5-19.
>>>
>>> [2] Hawkins, Jeff (2004). On Intelligence (1st ed.). Times Books. p. 
>>> 272. ISBN 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>0805074562 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0805074562>.
>>>
>>> [3] K. Markov, K. Ivanova, I. Mitov, N. Ivanova, A. Danilov, K. 
>>> Boikatchev. Basic Structure of the Knowledge Market. IJ ITA, 2002, 
>>> V.9, No.4, pp. 123-134.
>>>
>>> [4] Kr. Markov, Kr. Ivanova, V. Velychko, “Usefulness of Scientific 
>>> Contributions”, International Journal “Information Theories and 
>>> Applications”, Vol.20, Number 1, 2013, ISSN 1310-0513 (printed), 
>>> ISSN 1313-0463 (online), pp. 4-38.
>>>
>>> http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol20/ijita20-01-p01.pdf
>>>
>>> [5] Krassimir Markov, Christophe Menant, Stanley N Salthe, Yixin 
>>> Zhong, Karl Javorszky, Alex Hankey, Loet Leydesdorff, Guy A Hoelzer, 
>>> Jose Javier Blanco Rivero, Robert K. Logan, Sungchul Ji, Mark 
>>> Johnson, David Kirkland, Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic. Data versus 
>>> Information. International Journal “Information Theories and 
>>> Applications”, Vol. 24, Number 4, 2017, ISSN 1310-0513 (printed), 
>>> ISSN 1313-0463 (online), pp. 303 -321.
>>>
>>> http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol24/ijita24-04-p01.pdf
>>>
>>>
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> *Arturo Tozzi*
>
> AA Professor Physics, University North Texas
>
> Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy
>
> Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba
>
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