[Fis] The Giordano's answer !

[Krassimir Markov]

Yes, correct. The right concept is the “external observer” – answered Giordano!

From: Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:36 AM
To: Loet Leydesdorff 
Cc: fis 
Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

I know him: his name is God, the meta-observer + meta-actor at the same time. 
Correct, Bruno?
;-)

best,

Plamen



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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Loet Leydesdorff <loet at leydesdorff.net> wrote:

  Dear Pedro, Koichiro, and colleagues,

  At the level of observers, indeed, a hierarchy may be involved for the change of focus (although this is empirical  and not necessarily the case). The communication, however, as a system different from the communicators may contain mechanisms such as "translation" which make it possible to redirect. 

  Best,
  Loet


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  Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
  Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)

  loet at leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/ 
  Associate Faculty, SPRU, University of Sussex; 

  Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, Beijing;

  Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck, University of London; 

  http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en



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  From: "Koichiro Matsuno" <CXQ02365 at nifty.com>
  To: fis at listas.unizar.es
  Sent: 3/2/2018 6:41:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

    On 28 Feb 2018 at 10:34 PM, PedroClemente Marijuan Fernadez wrote:

    A sort of "attention" capable of fast and furious displacements of the focus...  helas, this means a meta-observer or an observer-in-command.

       Pedro, it is of course one thing to conceive of a hierarchy of observers for our own sake, but quite another to figure out what the concrete participants such as molecules are doing out there. They are doing what would seem appropriate for them to do without minding what we are observing. At issue must be how something looking like a chain of command could happen to emerge without presuming such a chain in the beginning. Prerequisite to its emergence would be the well-being of each participant taken care of locally, as a replenishable inevitable. That is an issue of the origins of life. The impending agenda is on something general universal as an object, and yet concrete particular enough in process. The richness resides within the concreteness down to the bottom. 



       Apropos, the communications among the local participants differ from computation despite the seemingly concrete outlook of the latter. Computation upon the notion of time as the linear sequence of the now points is not available to the local participants because of the lack of the physical means for guaranteeing the sharing of the same now-point among themselves.



       Koichiro Matsuno








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