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<DIV><FONT size=4>Yes, correct. <FONT size=4>The right concept is the “external
observer” – answered Giordano!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com
href="mailto:plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com">Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 02, 2018 11:36 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=fis@listas.unizar.es
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I know him: his name is God, the meta-observer + meta-actor at the
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<DIV>Correct, Bruno?</DIV>
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<DIV>best,</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Loet Leydesdorff <SPAN
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<DIV>Dear Pedro, Koichiro, and colleagues,</DIV>
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<DIV>At the level of observers, indeed, a hierarchy may be involved for the
change of focus (although this is empirical and not necessarily the
case). The communication, however, as a system different from the
communicators may contain mechanisms such as "translation" which make it
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<DIV>Best,</DIV>
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emeritus, University of Amsterdam<BR>Amsterdam School of Communication
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<DIV>From: "Koichiro Matsuno" <<A href="mailto:CXQ02365@nifty.com"
target=_blank>CXQ02365@nifty.com</A>></DIV>
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<DIV>Sent: 3/2/2018 6:41:12 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?</DIV>
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28 Feb 2018 at 10:34 PM, PedroClemente Marijuan Fernadez
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<P><SPAN lang=EN-US>A sort of "attention" capable of fast and furious
displacements of the focus... helas, this means a meta-observer or an
observer-in-command.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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Pedro, it is of course one thing to conceive of a hierarchy of observers for
our own sake, but quite another to figure out what the concrete participants
such as molecules are doing out there. They are doing what would seem
appropriate for them to do without minding what we are observing. At issue
must be how something looking like a chain of command could happen to emerge
without presuming such a chain in the beginning. Prerequisite to its
emergence would be the well-being of each participant taken care of locally,
as a replenishable inevitable. That is an issue of the origins of life. The
impending agenda is on something general universal as an object, and yet
concrete particular enough in process. The richness resides within the
concreteness down to the bottom. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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Apropos, the communications among the local participants differ from
computation despite the seemingly concrete outlook of the latter.
Computation upon the notion of time as the linear sequence of the now points
is not available to the local participants because of the lack of the
physical means for guaranteeing the sharing of the same now-point among
themselves.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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Koichiro Matsuno<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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