[Fis] The shadows are real !!!

Burgin, Mark mburgin at math.ucla.edu
Thu Mar 1 03:10:02 CET 2018 

Dear Sung,

Thank you for sharing with us your interesting ideas based on the 
Peircean triadic approach. It is not by chance that your triad exactly 
corresponds to the Existential Triad, which stratifies the whole World 
into three interrelated components:

Physical World

Mental World

Structural World

*Form (A) corresponds to the **Structural**World*

*Shadow (B) ***corresponds to *****the **Physical World***

*Thought (C)* *corresponds to the **Mental World*


So, shadows are indeed real as they belong to the physical world, in 
which we live.


Sincerely,

Mark Burgin



On 2/25/2018 3:04 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote:
>
> Hi Krassimir,
>
>
> I agree with you that  "/The shadows are real/ but only a part of the 
> whole. What is needed is a systematic research from what they are part."
>
>
> In my previous post,  I was suggesting that Shadows are a part of 
> the irreudicible triad consisting of *Form (A), Shadow (B) 
> *and*Thought (C)*.  The essential notion of the ITR (Irreducible 
> Triadic realrtion) is that A, B, and C cannot be reduced to any one or 
> a pair of the triad.  This automatically means that 'Shadow' is a part 
> of the whole triad (which is, to me, another name for the Ultimate 
> Reality), as Form and Thought are.  In other words, the Ultimate 
> Reality is not Form nor Shadow nor Thought individually but all of 
> them together, since they constitute an irreducible triad.    This 
> idea is expressed in 1995  in another way: The Ultimate Reality is the 
> /complementary union/ of the /Visble/ and the /Invisible World/ (see 
> *Table 1* attached).  Apparently a similar idea underlies the 
> philosophy of Maurice Merleau-Ponty (1908-1961), according to my son, 
> Douglas Sayer Ji (see his semior research thesis submitted in 1996 to 
> the Department of Philosophy at Rutgers University under the guidance 
> of B. Wilshire, attached).
>
>
> All the best.
>
>
> Sung
>
>
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> *From:* Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> on behalf of John Collier 
> <ag659 at ncf.ca>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2018 2:51 PM
> *To:* fis at listas.unizar.es
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] The shadows are real !!!
> Daer Krassimir, List
>
> I basically support what you are saying. I understand the mathematics 
> you presented, I am good at mathematics and studied logic with some of 
> the best. However, and this is a big however, giving a mathematical or 
> logical proof by itself, in its formalism, does not show anything at 
> all. One has to be able to connect teh mathematics to experience in a 
> comprehensible way. This was partly the topic of my dissertation, and 
> I take a basically Peircean approach, though there are others that are 
> pretty strong as well.
>
> I fgenerally skip over the mathematics and look for the empirical 
> connections. If I find them, then generally all becomes clear. Without 
> this, the formalism is nothing more than formalism. It does not help 
> to give formal names to things and assume that this identifies things, 
> Often trying to follow up approaches kine this is a profound waste of 
> time. I try to, and often am able to, express my ideas in a nonformal 
> way. Some mathematically oriented colleagues see this as automatically 
> defective, since they think that formal representation is all that 
> really rigorously explains things. This sort of thinking (in Logical 
> Positivism) eventually led to its own destruction as people started to 
> ask the meaning of theoretical terms and their relation to 
> observations. It is a defunct and self destructive metaphysics. Irt 
> leads nowhere -- my PhD thesis was about this problem. It hurts me to 
> see people making the same mistake, especially when it leads them to 
> bizarre conclusions that are compatible with the formalism (actually, 
> it is provable that almost anything is compatible with a specific 
> formalism, up to numerosity).
>
> I don't like to waste my time with such emptiness,
>
> John
>
> On 2018/02/25 6:22 PM, Krassimir Markov wrote:
>> Dear Sung,
>> I like your approach but I think it is only a part of the whole.
>> 1. */The shadows are real/* but only a part of the whole. What is 
>> needed is a systematic research from what they are part.
>> 2. About the whole now I will use the category theory I have seen you 
>> like:
>> /CAT_A => F => CAT_B => G => CAT_C /
>> //
>> /CAT_A => H => CAT_C /
>> //
>> /_F ○ G = H /
>> where
>> /F/, /G/, and /H/ are /*functors*/;
>> /CAT_II Î CAT/ is the category of /*information interaction categories*/;
>> /CAT_A Î CAT_II / and /CAT_C Î CAT_II /  are the categories of 
>> */mental models’ categories/*;
>> /CAT_B Î CAT_II / is the category of */models’ categories/*.
>> Of course, I will explain this in natural language (English) in 
>> further posts.
>> Smile
>> ;
>> Dear  Karl,
>> Thank you for your post – it is very useful and I will discus it in 
>> further posts.
>> ;
>> Dear Pedro,
>> Thank you for your nice words.
>> Mathematics is very good to be used when all know the mathematical 
>> languages.
>> Unfortunately, only a few scientists are involved in the mathematical 
>> reasoning, in one hand, and, as the Bourbaki experiment had shown, 
>> not everything is ready to be formalized.
>> How much of FIS members understood what I had written above?
>> The way starts from philosophical reasoning  and only some times ends 
>> in mathematical formal explanations.
>> Friendly greetings
>> Krassimir
>>
>>
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