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<p>Dear Sung,</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing with us your interesting ideas based on the
Peircean triadic approach. It is not by chance that your triad
exactly corresponds to the Existential Triad, which stratifies the
whole World into three interrelated components:</p>
<p>
Physical World</p>
<p>
Mental World</p>
<p>
Structural World<br>
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<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b>Form (A)
corresponds to the </b></span><font size="+1"><b>Structural</b></font><span
style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b><font
size="+1"> </font>World</b></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b>Shadow
(B) </b></span><span style="font-size: large; font-family:
Calibri;"><b><span style="font-size: large; font-family:
Calibri;"><b>corresponds to </b></span></b></span><span
style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b><span
style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b><span
style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b>the </b></span><span
style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b>Physical
World</b></span></b></span></b></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b>Thought
(C)</b> </span><span style="font-size: large; font-family:
Calibri;"><span style="font-size: large; font-family: Calibri;"><b>corresponds
to the </b></span></span><span style="font-size: large;
font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: large;
font-family: Calibri;"><b>Mental World</b></span></span></p>
<p><br>
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<p>So, shadows are indeed real as they belong to the physical world,
in which we live.</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Mark Burgin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/25/2018 3:04 PM, Sungchul Ji
wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Hi Krassimir,</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I agree with you that "<em
style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: large; font-weight:
bold;">The shadows are real</em><span style="font-size:
large; font-family: Calibri;"> but only a part of the whole.
What is needed is a systematic research from what they are
part."</span></p>
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large; font-family: Calibri;"><br>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><span style="font-size:
large; font-family: Calibri;">In my previous post, I was
suggesting that Shadows are a part of the irreudicible triad
consisting of
<b>Form (A), Shadow (B) </b>and<b> Thought (C)</b>. The
essential notion of the ITR (Irreducible Triadic realrtion)
is that A, B, and C cannot be reduced to any one or a
pair of the triad. This automatically means that 'Shadow'
is a part of the whole triad (which is, to me, another name
for the Ultimate Reality), as Form and Thought are. In
other words, the Ultimate Reality is not Form nor Shadow nor
Thought individually but all of them together, since they
constitute an irreducible triad. This idea is expressed
in 1995 in another way: The Ultimate Reality is the <i>complementary
union</i> of the
<i>Visble</i> and the <i>Invisible World</i> (see <b>Table
1</b> attached). Apparently a similar idea underlies the
philosophy of Maurice Merleau-Ponty (1908-1961), according
to my son, Douglas Sayer Ji (see his semior research thesis
submitted in 1996 to the Department of Philosophy at Rutgers
University under the guidance of B. Wilshire, attached). </span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><span style="font-size:
large; font-family: Calibri;">All the best.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><span style="font-size:
large; font-family: Calibri;"><br>
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large; font-family: Calibri;">Sung</span></p>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
Fis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a> on behalf of John
Collier <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ag659@ncf.ca"><ag659@ncf.ca></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 25, 2018 2:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] The shadows are real !!!</font>
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<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF">Daer Krassimir, List<br>
<br>
I basically support what you are saying. I understand the
mathematics you presented, I am good at mathematics and
studied logic with some of the best. However, and this is a
big however, giving a mathematical or logical proof by
itself, in its formalism, does not show anything at all. One
has to be able to connect teh mathematics to experience in a
comprehensible way. This was partly the topic of my
dissertation, and I take a basically Peircean approach,
though there are others that are pretty strong as well.<br>
<br>
I fgenerally skip over the mathematics and look for the
empirical connections. If I find them, then generally all
becomes clear. Without this, the formalism is nothing more
than formalism. It does not help to give formal names to
things and assume that this identifies things, Often trying
to follow up approaches kine this is a profound waste of
time. I try to, and often am able to, express my ideas in a
nonformal way. Some mathematically oriented colleagues see
this as automatically defective, since they think that
formal representation is all that really rigorously explains
things. This sort of thinking (in Logical Positivism)
eventually led to its own destruction as people started to
ask the meaning of theoretical terms and their relation to
observations. It is a defunct and self destructive
metaphysics. Irt leads nowhere -- my PhD thesis was about
this problem. It hurts me to see people making the same
mistake, especially when it leads them to bizarre
conclusions that are compatible with the formalism
(actually, it is provable that almost anything is compatible
with a specific formalism, up to numerosity).<br>
<br>
I don't like to waste my time with such emptiness,<br>
<br>
John<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/02/25 6:22 PM,
Krassimir Markov wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="4">Dear Sung,</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">I like your approach but I think
it is only a part of the whole.</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">1. <strong><em>The shadows are
real</em></strong> but only a part of the
whole. What is needed is a systematic research
from what they are part.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">2. About the whole now I will use
the category theory I have seen you like:</font></div>
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<div><font size="4"><em>CAT<sub>A</sub> => F =>
CAT<sub>B</sub> => G => CAT<sub>C</sub></em></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><em></em></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"><em>CAT<sub>A</sub> => H =>
CAT<sub>C</sub></em></font></div>
<div><em></em> </div>
<div><em><sub><font size="4">F ○ G = H</font></sub></em></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">where</font></div>
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<div><font size="4"><em>F</em>, <em>G</em>, and <em>H</em>
are <em><strong>functors</strong></em>;</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font style=""><font size="4"><em>CAT<sub>II</sub>
<font style="" face="Symbol">
Î</font> CAT</em> is the category of <em><strong>information
interaction categories</strong></em>;</font></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4"><em>CAT<sub>A </sub><font
face="Symbol">Î</font> CAT<sub>II</sub></em>
and
<em>CAT<sub>C</sub> <font face="Symbol">Î</font>
CAT<sub>II</sub></em> are the categories of
<strong><em>mental models’ categories</em></strong>;</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4"><em>CAT<sub>B</sub> <font
face="Symbol">Î</font> CAT<sub>II</sub></em>
is the category of
<strong><em>models’ categories</em></strong>.</font></div>
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<div>
<div><font size="4">Of course, I will explain this
in natural language (English) in further posts.
</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">Dear Karl,</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Thank you for your post – it is
very useful and I will discus it in further posts.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">;</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">Dear Pedro,</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Thank you for your nice words. </font></div>
<div><font size="4">Mathematics is very good to be
used when all know the mathematical languages.</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Unfortunately, only a few
scientists are involved in the mathematical
reasoning, in one hand, and, as the Bourbaki
experiment had shown, not everything is ready to
be formalized.
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">How much of FIS members understood
what I had written above?</font></div>
<div><font size="4">The way starts from philosophical
reasoning and only some times ends in
mathematical formal explanations.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="4">Friendly greetings</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Krassimir</font></div>
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