[Fis] I salute to Sungchul

[Loet Leydesdorff]

Dear Emanuel,

The two types are sometimes also called "Shannon-type" versus 
"Bateson-type" information.

In Chinese, there are two words for "information".

Both words contain two char­acters as depicted in Figure 13.1. The above 
one, ‘sjin sji’, corresponds to the mathe­matical definition of 
informa­tion as uncertainty.[1] <#_ftn1> The sec­ond, ‘tsjin bao,’ means 
infor­mation but also intelligence.[2] <#_ftn2> In other words, it means 
infor­mation which informs us, and which is thus considered meaningful.

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<#_ftnref1>     [1] ‘sjin’ means letter of reliability, and ‘sji’ means 
message.

<#_ftnref2>     [2] ‘tsjin’ means situation or status, and ‘bao’ means 
report.


Wu Yishan (personal communication)

From: Leydesdorff, L. (1995). The Challenge of Scientometrics: The 
development, measurement, and self-organization of scientific 
communications. Leiden: DSWO Press, Leiden University; at 
http://www.universal-publishers.com/book.php?method=ISBN&book=1581126816, 
p. 295.

Best,
Loet

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Loet Leydesdorff

Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)

loet at leydesdorff.net <mailto:loet at leydesdorff.net>; 
http://www.leydesdorff.net/
Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of 
Sussex;

Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>, 
Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, 
<http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing;

Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of London;

http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en


------ Original Message ------
From: "Emanuel Diamant" <emanl.245 at gmail.com>
To: fis at listas.unizar.es
Sent: 1/12/2018 5:20:14 PM
Subject: [Fis] I salute to Sungchul

>Dear FISers,
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>I would like to express my pleasure with the current state of our 
>discourse – an evident attempt to reach a more common understanding 
>about information issues and to enrich preliminary given assessments.
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>In this regard, I would like to add my comment to Sungchul’s post of 
>January 12, 2018.
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>Sungchul proposes “to recognize two distinct types of information 
>which, for the lack of better terms, may be referred to as the 
>"meaningless information" or I(-)  and "meaningful information" or 
>I(+)”.
>
>That is exactly what I am trying to put forward for years, albeit under 
>more historically rooted names: Physical and Semantic information [1]. 
>Never mind, what is crucially important here is that the duality of 
>information becomes publicly recognized and accepted by FIS community.
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>I salute to Sungchul’s suggestion!
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>Best regards, Emanuel.
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>[1] Emanuel Diamant, The brain is processing information, not data. 
>Does anybody care?, ISIS Summit Vienna 2015, Extended Abstract. 
>http://sciforum.net/conference/isis-summit-vienna-2015/paper/2842
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