[Fis] non-living objects COULD NOT “exchange information”

Sun Mar 26 00:11:11 CET 2017

gyuri, how can we get online or email access to your article on how  
inanimate things exchange information?

with warmth and oomph--howard

ps i believe i'm in the volume for the information summit in vienna with  
you.  but if you get me a word or pdf version of your article, i can upload  
it to my kindle, carry it with me wherever i go, and read it.

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In a message dated 3/25/2017 5:48:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
darvasg at iif.hu writes:

Dear Krassimir, 
They can!!!! 
For details, see my contrinution to the 2015 Vienna IS4IS meeting and  
following publications of the proceedings! 
Best, Gyuri 

24.03.2017 16:25 időpontban Krassimir Markov ezt írta: 

Dear Arturo and FIS  Colleagues,
Let me remember that:
The basic misunderstanding that  non-living objects could "exchange  
information" leads to many  principal theoretical as well as psychological faults. 

For instance, photon could exchange only  energy and/or reflections !
Sorry for this n-th my remark ...  
Friendly greetings
Krassimir

From: _tozziarturo at libero.it_ (mailto:tozziarturo at libero.it) 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 4:52 PM
To: _fis at listas.unizar.es_ (mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es) 
Subject: [Fis] I: Re: Is information truly  important?

Dear  Lars-Göran, 
I prefer to use asap my second FIS  bullet, therefore it will be my last 
FIS mail for the next days.  

First of all, in special relativity,  an observer is NOT by definition a 
material object that can receive  and store incoming energy from other 
objects.  
In special relativity, an observer is a frame of reference from which  a 
set of objects or events are being measured.  Speaking of an  observer is not 
specifically hypothesizing an individual person who is  experiencing events, 
but rather it is a particular mathematical context  which objects and 
events are to be evaluated from. The effects of special  relativity occur whether 
or not there is a "material object that can  recieve and store incoming 
energy from other objects" within the inertial  reference frame to witness them.

Furthermore, take a photon (traveling at speed light)  that crosses a 
cosmic zone close to the sun.  The photon "detects"  (and therefore can interact 
with) a huge sun surface (because of its high  speed), while we humans on 
the Earth "detect" (and can interact with) a  much smaller sun surface.
Therefore, the photon may exchange more information with the sun than  the 
humans on the Earth: both the photon and the humans interact with the  same 
sun, but they "detect" different surfaces, and therefore they may  exchange 
with the sun a different information content. 
If we also take into account that the photon detects an almost  infinite, 
fixed time, this means once again that it can exchange much more  information 
with the sun than we humans can.

In sum, once again, information does not seem to be a physical  quantity, 
rather just a very subjective measure, depending on the speed  and of the 
time of the "observer".  

Arturo  Tozzi 
AA Professor Physics,  University North Texas 
Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord,  Italy 
Comput Intell Lab,  University Manitoba 
http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/ 

----Messaggio originale----
Da: "Lars-Göran Johansson"  <Lars-Goran.Johansson at filosofi.uu.se>
Data: 24/03/2017  14.50
A: "tozziarturo at libero.it"<tozziarturo at libero.it>
Ogg:  Re: [Fis] Is information truly important?

24 mars 2017 kl. 13:15 skrev _tozziarturo at libero.it_ 
(mailto:tozziarturo at libero.it) :

Dear Fisers,
a big doubt...

We know that the information of a 3D black hole is proportional  to its 2D 
horizon, according to the Bekenstein-Hawking  equations.

However, an hypotetical observer traveling at light speed (who  watches a 
black hole at rest) detects a very large black hole horizon,  due to 
Einstein's equations.
Therefore, he detects more information from the black hole than  an 
observer at rest, who sees a smaller  horizon...

An observer is by definition a  material object that can recieve and store 
incoming energy from other  objects. Since it requires infinite energy  to 
accelerate even a  slighest object to the velocity of light, no observer can 
travel at the  speed of light. That means that your thought experiment is 
based in  inconsistent assumptions and no vaild conclusions from them can be  
drawn.
Lars-Göran Johansson

In sum, information does not seem to be a physical quantity,  rather just a 
very subjective measure...

Arturo  Tozzi 
AA Professor Physics,  University North Texas 
Pediatrician ASL  Na2Nord, Italy 
Comput Intell Lab,  University Manitoba 
http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/ 

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