[Fis] Further Discussion . . .

Thu Feb 9 22:44:30 CET 2017

fascinating thinking, pedro.

it triggers this:

The stages of development are  far more than real-world problem solvers.  
They set artificial challenges, then achieve them.  Making a caterpillar that 
works is  an  enormously complex  challenge.  Making a working  butterfly 
is also immensely more complex than any simple challenge mounted by  the 
environment.  Changing from  caterpillar to butterfly in one lifetime is 
unachievable beyond all belief.  And these grotesquely artificial goals  can’t be 
accounted for by a simple goal of survival.  The goal, if anything, seems to 
be to  accomplish the ornate, the unnecessary, the flamboyant, and the 
impossible.  How does a drive toward impossible  flamboyance get built into  
life?  How does  it get built into the  cosmos?
with warmth and oomph--howard
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In a message dated 2/9/2017 3:22:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es writes:

Dear Marcus and Colleagues,

Thanks for your  interest. The Chengdu's Conference represented for me an 
occasion to return to  my beginnings, in the 80's, when I prepared a PhD 
Thesis: "Natural  Intelligence: On the evolution of biological information 
processing". It was  mostly following a top down approach. But in some of the 
discussions outdoors  of the conference (a suggestion for the next one in 
Shanghai: plenary  discussion sessions should also be organized) I realized that 
biomolecular  things have changed quite a lot. One could go nowadays the 
other way around:  from the molecular-informational organization of cellular 
life, to  intelligence of the cell's behavior withing the environment. The 
life cycle es  essential. It provides the source of "meaning" (as I have often 
argued in  discussions in the list) but it is also the reference for 
"intelligence".  Communicating with the environment and self-producing by means of 
the  environmental affordances have to be smoothly organized so that the 
stages of  the life cycle may be advanced, and that the "problems" arising from 
the  internal or the external may be adequately solved. It means signalling 
and  self-modifying in front of the open-ended environmental problems, 
sensing and  acting coherently... It strangely connects with the notion of human 
"story"  and the communication cycle in the humanities. Relating 
intelligence to goal  accomplishment or to an architecture of goals as usually done in 
computational  realms implies that the real life course (or the surrogate) 
is reduced to a  very narrow segment. True intelligence evaporates. 
These were some of my  brute reflections that I have to keep musing around 
(I saw interesting  repercussions for cellular signaling "narratives" too). 
Maybe this is also a  good opportunity for other parties of that conference 
to expostulate their own  impressions --very exciting presentations both 
from Chinese and Western  colleagues there.

Thanks again,
--Pedro

El 08/02/2017 a las  14:14, Marcus Abundis escribió:

> In next weeks some further discussion might be started,  but at the time 
being, the slot is empty (any ideas?)<  

Hi Pedro,

For my part I would appreciate a chance to hear more about the thoughts  
you have been developing (even if they are very rough) as related to the  talk 
you gave in China last summer.

Alternatively, further thoughts on Gordana's talk would be nice to  hear.

For both of these talks, you both shared your presentation stack . . .  but 
there was so much information in both of those talks, it would be nice  to 
have some of "unpacked."

Marcus

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