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<DIV>fascinating thinking, pedro.</DIV>
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<DIV>it triggers this:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt">The stages of development are
far more than real-world problem solvers.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>They set artificial challenges, then achieve them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Making a caterpillar that works is
an<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>enormously complex
challenge.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Making a working
butterfly is also immensely more complex than any simple challenge mounted by
the environment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Changing from
caterpillar to butterfly in one lifetime is unachievable beyond all belief.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And these grotesquely artificial goals
can’t be accounted for by a simple goal of survival.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The goal, if anything, seems to be to
accomplish the ornate, the unnecessary, the flamboyant, and the impossible.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How does a drive toward impossible
flamboyance get built into<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>life?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How does<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>it get built into the
cosmos?<o:p></o:p></P></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>with warmth and oomph--howard</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">----------<BR>Howard
Bloom<BR>Howardbloom.net<BR>author of : The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific
Expedition Into the Forces of History ("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post),
Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind from the Big Bang to the 21st
Century ("reassuring and sobering"-The New Yorker), The Genius of the
Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("Impressive, stimulating, and
tremendously enjoyable."James Fallows, National Correspondent, The Atlantic),
The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos Creates ("Bloom's argument will rock your
world." Barbara Ehrenreich), How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (“a
monumental,epic, glorious literary achievement.” Timothy Leary), and The
Muhammad Code: How a Desert Prophet Gave You ISIS, al Qaeda, and Boko
Haram--or How Muhammad Invented Jihad (“a terrifying book…the best book I’ve
read on Islam,” David Swindle, PJ Media).<BR>Former Core Faculty Member, The
Graduate Institute; Former Visiting Scholar—Graduate Psychology Department,
NewYork University<BR>Founder: International PaleopsychologyProject; founder and
chair, Space Development Steering Committee; Founding Board Member: Epic of
Evolution Society; Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project; Board Of
Governors, National Space Society; Founder: The Big Bang Tango Media
Lab; member: New York Academy of Sciences, American Association for the
Advancement of Science, American Psychological Society, Academy of Political
Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society, International Society for Human
Ethology, Scientific Advisory Board Member, Lifeboat Foundation.
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/9/2017 3:22:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es writes:</DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Dear Marcus and Colleagues,<BR><BR>Thanks for your
interest. The Chengdu's Conference represented for me an occasion to return to
my beginnings, in the 80's, when I prepared a PhD Thesis: "Natural
Intelligence: On the evolution of biological information processing". It was
mostly following a top down approach. But in some of the discussions outdoors
of the conference (a suggestion for the next one in Shanghai: plenary
discussion sessions should also be organized) I realized that biomolecular
things have changed quite a lot. One could go nowadays the other way around:
from the molecular-informational organization of cellular life, to
intelligence of the cell's behavior withing the environment. The life cycle es
essential. It provides the source of "meaning" (as I have often argued in
discussions in the list) but it is also the reference for "intelligence".
Communicating with the environment and self-producing by means of the
environmental affordances have to be smoothly organized so that the stages of
the life cycle may be advanced, and that the "problems" arising from the
internal or the external may be adequately solved. It means signalling and
self-modifying in front of the open-ended environmental problems, sensing and
acting coherently... It strangely connects with the notion of human "story"
and the communication cycle in the humanities. Relating intelligence to goal
accomplishment or to an architecture of goals as usually done in computational
realms implies that the real life course (or the surrogate) is reduced to a
very narrow segment. True intelligence evaporates. <BR>These were some of my
brute reflections that I have to keep musing around (I saw interesting
repercussions for cellular signaling "narratives" too). Maybe this is also a
good opportunity for other parties of that conference to expostulate their own
impressions --very exciting presentations both from Chinese and Western
colleagues there.<BR><BR>Thanks again,<BR>--Pedro<BR><BR>El 08/02/2017 a las
14:14, Marcus Abundis escribió:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>> In next weeks some further discussion might be started,
but at the time being, the slot is empty (any ideas?)<
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<DIV>Hi Pedro,</DIV>
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<DIV>For my part I would appreciate a chance to hear more about the thoughts
you have been developing (even if they are very rough) as related to the
talk you gave in China last summer.</DIV>
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<DIV>Alternatively, further thoughts on Gordana's talk would be nice to
hear.</DIV>
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<DIV>For both of these talks, you both shared your presentation stack . . .
but there was so much information in both of those talks, it would be nice
to have some of "unpacked."</DIV>
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<DIV>Marcus</DIV>
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