[Fis] Fwd: Re: planckian information. From Sung and Alex
Pedro C. Marijuan
pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
Fri Apr 21 14:24:45 CEST 2017
Dear colleagues, I think the exchange below may be of general interest
for the list (I had not received the message at the bottom--Pedro
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Asunto: Re: [Fis] planckian information
Fecha: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:08:19 +0530
De: Alex Hankey <alexhankey at gmail.com>
Para: Sungchul Ji <sji at pharmacy.rutgers.edu>
CC: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
Dear Sungchul,
Your point is well taken, but it only applies to digital information.
The information states that I have discovered for Experience Information
do not work on digital information, which requires a physical system at
stability,
obeying the usual laws of quantum theory.
Experience information is sited at critical instabilities, which are
identified as
the Loci of Control of all biological systems by complexity biology.
Instabilities do not have quanta as their excitations. There is no
minimum energy h/2.
The information is encoded as Gestalts / Forms / Ideas (all equivalent).
No excitation energy is involved in their transmission or reception.
Do read my 2015 paper in the Journal of Progress in Biophysics and
Molecular Biology.
Best wishes,
Alex Hankey
On 18 April 2017 at 03:38, Sungchul Ji <sji at pharmacy.rutgers.edu
<mailto:sji at pharmacy.rutgers.edu>> wrote:
Hi Pedro,
I am not well familiar with Sheldrake's phenomenon of the Seventh
Sense. Reading one of his articles on line, "The sixth Sense and
the Seventh Sense: A Part of Our Biological Nature ?", indicated to
me that the phenomenon of the seventh sense he described may well be
real and biological. But what he does not yet know, as he admits,
is how this phenomenon may be occurring, i.e., what is the
mechanism behind it. Answering this question may not be easy, since
it would entail knowing how our brain perceives the reality through
our senses, the sixth and the seventh included.
As long as the seventh sense is biological, as Sheldrake seems to
assume, I would predict that the information being exchanged between
the observer and his/her environment through this sense would obey
what I called the Third Law of Informatics i.e., no information can
be exchanged without dissipation of kt ln(2) joules of energy per
bit. (In my previous post, I forgot to iinclude "ln(2)").
Or another possibility is that Sheldrakes' phenomenon of the seventh
sense is unknowable. That is , it may long to the category of
phenomena that the human intellect is incapable of knowing, just as
apophatic theologians believe that God cannot be described in human
language. In part influenced by the apophatic theology and in part
by semiotics of Peirce (which I found a way to extend to include the
ineffable, based on the so-called quark model of signs ; see [2] in
the attached references), I came to the conclusion that science (or
the systematic study of the reality) may be divided into two
branches -- the traditional "cataphatic" (or positivistic) branch
and the "apophatic" (or negative or ineffable) branch as
schematically depicted in the attached figure. The division of
science into these two branches may be considered as the extension
of Bob Ulanowicz's division of Shannon entropy H into the
cataphatic component, A, and the apophatic component, fi [see Eq.
(2) in "Towards Quantifying a Wider Reality: Shannon Exonerata",
/Information/ 2011, *2*, 624-634].
With all the best.
Sung
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*From:* Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es
<mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es>> on behalf of Pedro C.
Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
<mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2017 12:20:08 PM
*To:* 'fis'
*Subject:* Re: [Fis] planckian information
Dear Sung and FIS Colleagues,
We have barely discussed the new notion of Planckian information
and the amazing variety of self-organization processes that
abide by it. It is a pity for I think it is a relevant
conceptualization that can contribute to new developments in our
field. Thank you, Sung, for presenting it in this list.
What I do not see is the relationship to be established with
languages: at cosmic, cellular, and human scales. Is it
necessary? Is it convenient? Concretely, in one of the last
papers mentioned in the kickoff text there is a explicit
reference to the 12 conditions to be fulfilled by any language.
Could you please explain those conditions? In the case of living
cells, there is no reference at all to signaling systems--how
any cellular "language" can be delineated without considering
the "speech apparatus" of the cell? The profligate of new terms
coined around information, energy, knowledge, etc. does not help
either to keep a clear focus in the essential idea, which as
expressed above revolves around P.I. --although I recognize that
most of them may have some point of interest, taking together
they somehow dilute the main message.
Best wishes--Pedro
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta 0
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
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Bangalore 560019, Karnataka, India Mobile (Intn'l): +44 7710 534195
Mobile (India) +91 900 800 8789
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