[Fis] R: Re: Fw: NEW DISCUSSION SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN. Off-Line

Fri Nov 25 18:29:15 CET 2016

Dear Joseph, gotcha...  In a framework dating back to Whitehead, Kurt Lewin and, in particular Richard Avenarius (1888), and going through Gestalt, phenomenalism, behaviourism,
functionalism and cybernetics, autopoiesis, dynamical systems theory,
embedded/embodied approaches, every human individual originally accepts over him: a)
an ever-changing spatial environment composed of manifold parts dependent on
one another; b) other human individuals making manifold describable statements
and c) these statements are dependent upon the environment (Avenarius, 1888). When an individual becomes aware of some of the manifold parts of the
environment outside or inside him, he states he is
having an experience. In a topological framework, the environment, the cortical
layers and the describable statements can be embedded in different structures
of various complexity dimensions, encompassing a different qualitative content
and linked by projections. The object and its verbal counterpart stand for two
antipodal points each one located in a different sphere, while their matching description is achieved in the brain of
the concrete human individual.  It is noteworthy that the topological
relationships among such three entities do not exist out of the triad: we
cannot perceive the thoughts and the sensations of other people, but just
project to them thoughts, statements and sensations analogous to ours.  This is perfectly in touch with your ideas...  For further details see our (unded advanced review): http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/products/the-neuroscientific-mechanisms-of-knowledge-a-topological-approach/

By the way, where I can find your logical system?
... the next time we will talk about the die-hard philosophers...
Ciao!
Arturo TozziAA Professor Physics, University North TexasPediatrician ASL Na2Nord, ItalyComput Intell Lab, University Manitobahttp://arturotozzi.webnode.it/ 

----Messaggio originale----

Da: "Joseph Brenner" <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>

Data: 25/11/2016 17.56

A: <tozziarturo at libero.it>

Ogg: Re: [Fis] Fw:  NEW DISCUSSION SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN.  Off-Line

Good message, Arturo. Thank you. In my logical 
system, dual theories themselves  are dynamic (cognitive) 
structures and can interact in the brain. The theories are not just 
'interchangable' in an abstract sense. One 'moves back and forth' between them, 
one explanation/description is predominant (actualized) at one time 
and the other at another time.

I agree with your view of quantum entanglement, but 
here is what might be a new idea for you: what about entanglement at a macro 
level, even, as a relation between two people?! In my logic, again, such 
entanglement is not just metaphorical but real-energetic. The relational words 
used are 'energy' words: ties, breaking, etc. I would be 
interested in your comment. 

Apparently, you have been lucky enough not to have 
had to deal with die-hard philosophers who refuse to accept anything except 
spatial position as fundamental.

Cheers,

Joseph

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  tozziarturo at libero.it 
  To: fis 
  Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 2:32 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Fis] Fw: NEW DISCUSSION 
  SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN

  Dear Joseph, 
The Borsuk-Ulam theorem 
  looks like a translucent glass sphere between a light source and our eyes: we 
  watch two lights on the sphere surface instead of one. But the two lights are 
  not just images, they are also real with observable properties, such as 
  intensity and diameter. 
Until the sphere lies between your eyes and the 
  light source, the lights you can see are two (and it is valid also for every 
  objective observer), it's not just a trick of your imagination or a Kantian a 
  priori.  
Therefore, the link between topology and energy/information 
  is very strong.  If we just think the facts and the events of the world 
  in terms of projections, we are able to quantitatively elucidate puzzling and 
  counterintuitive phenomena, such as, for example,  quantum 
  entanglement
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10773-016-2998-7
  Therefore, the 'eternal' discussion of whether geometry 
  or energy (call it dynamics, informational entropy, or whatsoever) is 
  more fundamental in the universe, does not stand anymore: both geometry 
  and energy describe the same phenomena, although with different 
  languages.  In physical terms, we could say that geometry and energy are 
  'dual' theories, e.g., they are interchangeable in the description of real 
  facts and events.  

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Inviato da Libero Mail per Androidvenerdì, 25 
  novembre 2016, 00:28PM +01:00 da Joseph Brenner joe.brenner at bluewin.ch:

    Dear All,

    Pedro should be thanked already for this new 
    Session, even as we welcome Andrew and Alexander. The depth of your work 
    facilitates rigorous discussion of serious philosophical as well as 
    scientific issues.

    In Pedro's note of 2016.11.24 there is the 
    following:

    "Somehow, 
    the projection of brain "metastable dynamics" (Fingelkurts) to higher 
    dimensionalities could provide new integrative possibilities for information 
    processing. And that marriage between topology and dynamics would also pave 
    the way to new evolutionary discussions on the emergence of the "imagined 
    present" of our minds."

    What Pedro calls here "the marriage between 
    topology and dynamics" reminds one of the 'eternal' discussion of whether 
    geometry or energy (dynamics) is more fundamental in the universe. I just 
    suggest that there are alternative terms to focus on and describe 
    the interaction between topology and dynamics that are more - dynamic, and 
    make an emergence a more logical consequence of that 
    interaction.

    Best wishes,

    Joseph
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