<div>Dear Joseph, </div><div>gotcha... <span lang="EN-GB" style="text-align: justify; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 107%; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">In a framework dating back to Whitehead, Kurt Lewin and, in particular Richard Avenarius (1888), and going through <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Gestalt, phenomenalism, behaviourism,
functionalism and cybernetics, autopoiesis, dynamical systems theory,
embedded/embodied approaches</span>, e</span><span style="text-align: justify; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 107%; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">very human individual originally accepts over him: </span></div><div><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US">a)
an ever-changing spatial environment composed of manifold parts dependent on
one another; </span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US">b) other human individuals making manifold describable statements
and </span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US">c) these statements are dependent upon the environment (Avenarius, 1888). </span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;">When an individual becomes aware of some of the manifold parts of the
environment outside or inside </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;">him, </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;">he states </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;">he is
having an experience. </span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;">In a topological framework, the environment, the cortical
layers and the describable statements can be embedded in different structures
of various complexity dimensions, encompassing a different qualitative content
and linked by projections. The object and its verbal counterpart stand for two
antipodal points each one located in a different sphere, while their matching description is achieved in the brain of
the concrete human individual. </span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;">It is noteworthy that the topological
relationships among such three entities do not exist out of the triad: we
cannot perceive the thoughts and the sensations of other people, but just
project to them thoughts, statements and sensations analogous to ours. This is perfectly in touch with your ideas... For further details see our (unded advanced review): </span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/products/the-neuroscientific-mechanisms-of-knowledge-a-topological-approach/</span></font><br></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;">By the way, where I can find your logical system?</span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">... the next time we will talk about the die-hard philosophers...</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="text-align:justify"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></p>Ciao!</div><div><br><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;text-align:justify;
line-height:115%;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; text-align: start;"><font face="courier new, monospace"><b>Arturo Tozzi</b></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;text-align:justify;
line-height:115%;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="line-height: 115%;"><font face="courier new, monospace">AA Professor Physics, University North Texas</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;text-align:justify;
line-height:115%;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; text-align: start;"><font face="courier new, monospace">Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;text-align:justify;
line-height:115%;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; text-align: start;"><font face="courier new, monospace">Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;text-align:justify;
line-height:115%;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><font face="courier new, monospace"><a href="http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/" style="font-size: 14px; color: rgb(5, 68, 126); line-height: normal; text-align: start;">http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/</a><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; text-align: start;"> </span></font><br></p></div><br>
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Da: "Joseph Brenner" <joe.brenner@bluewin.ch><br>
Data: 25/11/2016 17.56<br>
A: <tozziarturo@libero.it><br>
Ogg: Re: [Fis] Fw: NEW DISCUSSION SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN. Off-Line<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Good message, Arturo. Thank you. In my logical
system, dual theories <em>themselves</em> are dynamic (cognitive)
structures and can interact in the brain. The theories are not just
'interchangable' in an abstract sense. One 'moves back and forth' between them,
one explanation/description is predominant (actualized) at one time
and the other at another time.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I agree with your view of quantum entanglement, but
here is what might be a new idea for you: what about entanglement at a macro
level, even, as a relation between two people?! In my logic, again, such
entanglement is not just metaphorical but real-energetic. The relational words
used are 'energy' words: ties, breaking, <em>etc. </em>I would be
interested in your comment.</font> </div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Apparently, you have been lucky enough not to have
had to deal with die-hard philosophers who refuse to accept anything except
spatial position as fundamental.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cheers,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joseph</font></div>
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<a title="tozziarturo@libero.it" href="mailto:tozziarturo@libero.it">tozziarturo@libero.it</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 25, 2016 2:32
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] Fw: NEW DISCUSSION
SESSION--TOPOLOGICAL BRAIN</div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><br></div>
<p dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px">Dear Joseph, <br>The Borsuk-Ulam theorem
looks like a translucent glass sphere between a light source and our eyes: we
watch two lights on the sphere surface instead of one. But the two lights are
not just images, they are also real with observable properties, such as
intensity and diameter. <br>Until the sphere lies between your eyes and the
light source, the lights you can see are two (and it is valid also for every
objective observer), it's not just a trick of your imagination or a Kantian a
priori. <br>Therefore, the link between topology and energy/information
is very strong. If we just think the facts and the events of the world
in terms of projections, we are able to quantitatively elucidate puzzling and
counterintuitive phenomena, such as, for example, quantum
entanglement<br>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10773-016-2998-7</p>
<p dir="ltr">Therefore, the 'eternal' discussion of whether geometry
or energy (call it dynamics, informational entropy, or whatsoever) is
more fundamental in the universe, does not stand anymore: both geometry
and energy describe the same phenomena, although with different
languages. In physical terms, we could say that geometry and energy are
'dual' theories, e.g., they are interchangeable in the description of real
facts and events. <br><br><br><br></p>
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novembre 2016, 00:28PM +01:00 da Joseph Brenner <a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>:<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dear All,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Pedro should be thanked already for this new
Session, even as we welcome Andrew and Alexander. The depth of your work
facilitates rigorous discussion of serious philosophical as well as
scientific issues.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">In Pedro's note of 2016.11.24 there is the
following:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">"<font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Somehow,
the projection of brain "metastable dynamics" (Fingelkurts) to higher
dimensionalities could provide new integrative possibilities for information
processing. And that marriage between topology and dynamics would also pave
the way to new evolutionary discussions on the emergence of the "imagined
present" of our minds."</font></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">What Pedro calls here "the marriage between
topology and dynamics" reminds one of the 'eternal' discussion of whether
geometry or energy (dynamics) is more fundamental in the universe. I just
suggest that there are alternative terms to focus on and describe
the interaction between topology and dynamics that are more - dynamic, and
make an emergence a more logical consequence of that
interaction.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Joseph</font></div></div>
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