[Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

[Karl Javorszky]

Andrei,

there is a reasonable, credible, explainable entry card to the assembly of
decision makers who award science grants in the billion € business of
quantum information and unified simple explanations.

One may present a consistent, easy to understand, simple set of algorithms
that in effect give a definition to the term 'information'. The extent so
defined will make itself noticably effective in as many fields of
observations of nature as can be pictured by natural numbers and counting.
Some will use information based ledger accounting as the basic arithmetic
tool in the field of physics, some in the field of genetics and ai.

The simple idea is to use a property of a number not unveiled so far. Let
us call it 'positional advantages towards having a fixed place'. This is
more or less a probability data set that is a more detailed description of
a natural number than usual. One can extract these attributes of natural
numbers by simple sorting algorithms.

Doing some combinatorics with these elements one will see that some
predictions are able to come into existence, some definitely not and then
some that are unknown; all in dependence of how many and which one assumes
to be already in existence of the elements. We build a huge addition table
in which not every a adds up with every b into a c. This is governed by the
mentioned position-dependent attributes.

Now when counting the certainity of what will not come into existence,
based on what is presently not in existence, one has a (1-p) mirror image
of the traditional knowledge; the background to 0 is 1, to white black. By
making the one dimensional counting into a moredimensional counting (which
we do by enumerating the steps of the cycle in the permutation that
distinguishes e.g. a+b from b+a) we have not only white known yes and black
known no, but also several shades of grey possible. This has a numeric
extent. The extent can be condensed into a definite position in a sequence
or can be present as a collection of predictions what can be where and
when, and share a co-presence with what. Information is the description of
what is not the case.

This is a basic arithmetic tool. To use it, one has to drop the doctrine of
commutativity and utilise the difference that is visible between a+b=c and
b+a=c.

On 13 Nov 2016 10:50, "Andrei Khrennikov" <andrei.khrennikov at lnu.se> wrote:

>      Dear all,
> I make the last remark about "physical information". The main problem of
> quantum physics is to justify so called
> IRREDUCIBLE QUANTUM RANDOMNESS (IQR). It was invented  by von Neumann.
> Quantum randomness, in contrast to classical,
> cannot be reduced to variations in an ensemble. One single electron is
> irreducibly random.
>
> The operational Copenhagen interpretation cannot "explain" the origin of
> IQR, since it does not even try to explain anything,
> "Shut up and calculate!" (R. Feynman to his students). Nevertheless, many
> top experts in QM want some kind of "explanation". The informational
> approach to QM is one
> of such attempts. Roughly speaking, one tries to get IQR from fundamental
> notion of "physical information" as the basic blocks of Nature.
>
> This is very important activity, since nowadays IQR has huge technological
> value, the quantum random generators are justified through IQR. And this is
> billion Euro
> project.
>
> Finally, to check experimentally the presence of IQR, we have to appeal to
> violation  of Bell's inequality. And here (!!!) to proceed we  have to
> accept the existence of
> FREE WILL. Thus finally the cognitive elements appears, but in  very
> surprisingly
> setting....
>
> Yours, andrei
>
> Andrei Khrennikov, Professor of Applied Mathematics,
> Int. Center Math Modeling: Physics, Engineering, Economics, and Cognitive
> Sc.
> Linnaeus University, Växjö, Sweden
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> http://www.cambridge.org/cr/academic/subjects/physics/
> econophysics-and-financial-physics/quantum-social-science
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> ________________________________________
> From: Fis [fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] on behalf of John Collier [
> Collierj at ukzn.ac.za]
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:19 PM
> To: loet at leydesdorff.net; 'Alex Hankey'; 'FIS Webinar'
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?
>
> More on Quantum information and emergent spacetime, this time by Erik P.
> Verlinde:
> Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe<https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.02269>
>
> There is a less formal review at
> http://m.phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
>
> I consider the idea very speculative, as I have seen no work on
> information within a spacetime boundary except for this sort of work.
>
> Of course, meaning need not apply. I doubt that it is bounded by language,
> but it at least has to be representational. Perhaps more is also required.
> I am reluctant to talk of meaning when discussing the semiotics of
> biological chemicals, for example, but could not find a better word. A made
> up word like Deacon’s “entention” might work best, but it still would not
> apply to the physics cases, even though the information in the boundaries
> in all cases but the internal information one can tell you about the
> spacetime structure within the boundary. That seems to me that it is like
> smoke to fire: smoke doesn’t mean fire, despite the connection.
>
> John Collier
> Emeritus Professor and Senior Research Associate
> Philosophy, University of KwaZulu-Natal
> http://web.ncf.ca/collier
>
> From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Loet
> Leydesdorff
> Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2016 9:29 PM
> To: 'Alex Hankey' <alexhankey at gmail.com>; 'FIS Webinar' <
> Fis at listas.unizar.es>
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?
>
> Dear Alex and colleagues,
>
> Thank you for the reference; but my argument was about “meaning”.
> “Meaning” can only be considered as constructed in language. Other uses of
> the word are metaphorical. For example, the citation to Maturana.
>
> Information, in my opinion, can be defined content-free (a la Shannon,
> etc.) and then be provided with meaning in (scholarly) discourses. I
> consider physics as one among other scholarly discourses. Specific about
> physics is perhaps the universalistic character of the knowledge claims.
> For example: “Frieden's points apply to quantum physics
> as well as classical physics.“ So what? This seems to me a debate within
> physics without much relevance for non-physicists (e.g., economists or
> linguists).
>
> Best,
> Loet
>
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> From: Alex Hankey [mailto:alexhankey at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 8:07 PM
> To: Loet Leydesdorff; FIS Webinar
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?
>
> Dear Loet and Fis Colleagues,
>
> Are you aware of Roy Frieden's
> 'Physics from Fisher Information'.
> His book was published in the 1990s.
> I consider it a very powerful statement.
>
> Ultimately everything we can detect at
> both macroscopic and microscopic levels
> depends on information production from
> a quantum level that forms Fisher Information.
>
> Frieden's points apply to quantum physics
> as well as classical physics.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Alex Hankey
>
>
> On 12 November 2016 at 18:56, Loet Leydesdorff <loet at leydesdorff.net
> <mailto:loet at leydesdorff.net>> wrote:
> Dear Marcus,
>
> When considering things in terms of "functional significance" one must
> confront the need to address "meaning" in terms of both the living and the
> physical . . . and their necessarily entangled nature.
>
> “Meaning” is first a linguistic construct; its construction requires
> interhuman communication. However, its use in terms of the living and/or
> the physical is metaphorical. Instead of a discourse, one can this consider
> (with Maturana) as a “second-order consensual domain” that functions AS a
> semantic domain without being one; Maturana (1978, p. 50):
>
> “In still other words, if an organism is observed in its operation within
> a second-order consensual domain, it appears to the observer as if its
> nervous system interacted with internal representations of the
> circumstances of its interactions, and as if the changes of state of the
> organism were determined by the semantic value of these representations.
> Yet all that takes place in the operation of the nervous system is the
> structure-determined dynamics of changing relations of relative neuronal
> activity proper to a closed neuronal network.”
>
> Failing to "make that connection" simply leaves one with an explanatory
> gap. And then, once connected, a further link to "space-time" is also
> easily located . . .
>
> Yes, indeed: limiting the discussion to the metaphors instead of going to
> the phore (that is, language and codification in language) leaves one with
> an explanatory gap. Quantum physics, for example, is a highly specialized
> language in which “mass” and “information” are provided with meanings
> different from classical physics.
>
> Best,
> Loet
>
>
>
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