[Fis] Essential Core?

[Rafael Capurro]

Alex
a main problem I see with Brillouin (the same as with Shannon)
https://www.bibnum.education.fr/calculinformatique/theorie-de-l-information/naissance-de-la-theorie-de-l-information
is that he speaks about the transmission of information (with regard to 
Shannon), while in fact it is a message and not 'information' that is 
being transmitted.
This quid pro quo is amazing in a scientist like Brillouin who is 
interested in the exact definition of concepts. Shannon's theory is 
called A mathematical theory of communication (not: of information).
Rafael
> John, I read the English translation of Science and Information theory 
> in 1976 and was profoundly influenced by it. I started doing so 
> because I was trying to understand conscious awareness at that time, 
> and it struck me that information theory was the closest thing to it 
> in science at the time. (not being impressed much by S's cat etc.)
> So you see it took 40 years thought for me to get to where I am now. 
> Even in 2008 when I had 90% of my present theory worked out, I was not 
> formulating it as a new theory of information.
> Reading and re-rereading (!) Shear and Chalmers was central to that. 
> And the fluid Reynolds number analogy which led me to see that I did 
> indeed have a genuine 'Double Aspect' information theory of just the 
> right kind.
> Alex
>
> On 8 July 2016 at 20:37, John Collier <Collierj at ukzn.ac.za 
> <mailto:Collierj at ukzn.ac.za>> wrote:
>
>     Comment inserted below yours.
>
>     John Collier
>
>     Professor Emeritus and Senior Research Associate
>
>     University of KwaZulu-Natal
>
>     http://web.ncf.ca/collier
>
>     *From:*Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es
>     <mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es>] *On Behalf Of *Michel Godron
>     *Sent:* Friday, 08 July 2016 4:52 PM
>     *To:* fis at listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es>;
>     loet at leydesdorff.net <mailto:loet at leydesdorff.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Essential Core?
>
>     My responses are in red
>
>     Bien reçu votre message. MERCI. Cordialement. M. Godron
>
>     Le 08/07/2016 à 14:42, Pedro C. Marijuan a écrit :
>
>         Dear FIS Colleagues,
>
>         Some brief responses to the different parties:
>
>         Marcus: there were several sessions dealing with info physics,
>         where I remember some historical connotations with mechanics
>         emerged. Mostly 1998 and 2002 chaired by Koichiro Matsuno and
>         2004 by Michel Petitjean. Afterwards the theme has surfaced
>         relatively often. About the present possibilities for a UTI,
>         my opinion is that strictly remaining within Shannon's and
>         anthropocentric discourse boundaries there is no way out.
>
>     Yes, but it is not the same  with  Brillouin's information : I
>     could send to you a text in French which gives a demonstration of
>     the convergence between  that information and thermodynamical
>     neguentropy. Since twenty years, I did not find an english review
>     which was interested by this problem, because I am biologist and
>     the biological reviews were not interested.
>
>     */[John Collier] I agree. I have read only an English translation
>     of Science and Information Theory. I read it as an undergrad, and
>     it has strongly influenced my views. It is unfortunate, I think,
>     that it hasn’t influenced English speaking scientists much. I have
>     also seen some bad misreadings of what he was saying./*
>
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