[Fis] Fwd: Re: Shannonian Mechanics? From M. Godron

[Pedro C. Marijuan]

Asunto: 	Re: [Fis] [SPAM] Shannonian Mechanics?
Fecha: 	Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:17:02 +0200
De: 	Michel Godron <migodron at wanadoo.fr>
Para: 	Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>



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  Cordialement. M. Godron
Le 01/07/2016 à 13:59, Pedro C. Marijuan a écrit :
> Dear Marcus and FIS Colleagues,
>
> You are right in your complaint. We have been saying very similar 
> things concerning information generation--and also in your symbolic 
> introduction of Darwin in your scheme concerning that series of 
> complementary questions. Sorry for being so brief but I need some 
> extra time to re-read your initial doc in this light and the very 
> cogent responses you have been producing, particularly to Loet's 
> points. In my first penny of next week I will comment on those 
> matters. Now I respond to other comments (which partially dovetail 
> with your themes).
>
> To Loet, fine, we think very differently. Rather than Althusser's 
> derogatory remark, I look at Schrodinger's disclaimer in his famous 
> "What is Life": /"...[necessaryly] some of us should venture to embark 
> on a synthesis of facts and theories, albeit with second hand and 
> incomplete knowledge of some of them—and at the risk of making fools 
> of ourselves.” /Whether such kind of synthetic approaches (performed 
> by each new scientific generation) can be successful or not today, is 
> something that neither you nor me can foretell. At the very least, the 
> enormous expansion of bio-info-comp disciplines in our times makes 
> this demand more necessary than ever. No "hidden program" in my 
> previous post but the open constatation that we have an excellent 
> opportunity today in order to delineate those potential "universals" 
> and "essential core" in an almost completely describable living 
> system--bacteria.
The  informatinal structure ( = "essential core" ?) of living beings _at 
five scales_ has been decribed in /Ecologie et évolution du monde vivant 
/Ed. L'Harmattan Paris/. /At the molecular scale, the link betsween 
information and tehrmodynamic negentropy is established. I could send 
some paragraphs of this book to the colleagues interested by any scale.//
> At least the rudiments of such approach appear in my team's work on 
> Proyariotic Signaling Systems and in "How the Living...".
Could you send it to me ?
> Anyhow, when I referred to "principles" I was not meaning your 
> interpretation as "origins" but to the usual way practicing scientists 
> work on them. For instance, after more than 30 years of painful 
> experimental, microscopy work on nervous systems, Ramon y Cajal wrote 
> his formidable "Textura del Sistema Nervioso del Hombre y los 
> Vertebrados", considered as the foundational opus of modern 
> neurosceince. There he exposed the new "Doctrine of the Neuron", based 
> on a few revolutionary principles... Mutatis mutandis, it might be an 
> interesting case-model regarding the info science renewal commented in 
> the previous post.
>
> To Alex, I see the opposite. Making the "universals" species specific 
> means that you can communicate and share gestalts far more easily 
> within your own phylum or class, or order, than with the far distant 
> ones. So, other mammals can approximately "read" your facial 
> expressions and postural stance, and get your meaning, while starfish 
> or insects will not. Don't you think so?
>
> To Bob (offline comment), many thanks for the comprehension. I am 
> happy that from different angles we see in common some stumbling 
> blocks to win. Actually, one needs both kinds of criticisms, positive 
> and negative, in order to advance a little more in this viscous 
> terrain... but making constructive criticisms becomes a more difficult 
> task.
>
> Apologies if I have missed some other more brief comments. And sorry 
> Marcus if this was sort of a disruption, but I think that your 
> discussion topic invites quite a lot to transgress the boundaries.
>
> Best--Pedro
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