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<td>Re: [Fis] [SPAM] Shannonian Mechanics?</td>
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<td>Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:17:02 +0200</td>
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<td>Michel Godron <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:migodron@wanadoo.fr"><migodron@wanadoo.fr></a></td>
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<td>Pedro C. Marijuan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></a></td>
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Cordialement. M. Godron
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 01/07/2016 à 13:59, Pedro C.
Marijuan a écrit :<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Marcus and FIS Colleagues,<br>
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You are right in your complaint. We have been saying very
similar things concerning information generation--and also in
your symbolic introduction of Darwin in your scheme concerning
that series of complementary questions. Sorry for being so
brief but I need some extra time to re-read your initial doc
in this light and the very cogent responses you have been
producing, particularly to Loet's points. In my first penny of
next week I will comment on those matters. Now I respond to
other comments (which partially dovetail with your themes).<br>
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To Loet, fine, we think very differently. Rather than
Althusser's derogatory remark, I look at Schrodinger's
disclaimer in his famous "What is Life": <i>"...[necessaryly]
some of us should venture to embark on a synthesis of facts
and theories, albeit with second hand and incomplete
knowledge of some of them—and at the risk of making fools of
ourselves.” </i>Whether such kind of synthetic approaches
(performed by each new scientific generation) can be
successful or not today, is something that neither you nor me
can foretell. At the very least, the enormous expansion of
bio-info-comp disciplines in our times makes this demand more
necessary than ever. No "hidden program" in my previous post
but the open constatation that we have an excellent
opportunity today in order to delineate those potential
"universals" and "essential core" in an almost completely
describable living system--bacteria. </div>
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<font color="#ff0000">The informatinal structure ( = </font><font
color="#ff0000"><font color="#ff0000">"essential core" ?</font>)
of living beings <u>at five scales</u> has been decribed in <i>Ecologie
et évolution du monde vivant </i>Ed. L'Harmattan Paris<i>. </i>At
the molecular scale, the link betsween information and
tehrmodynamic negentropy is established. I could send some
paragraphs of this book to the colleagues interested by any
scale.<i> </i> <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">At least the rudiments of such
approach appear in my team's work on Proyariotic Signaling
Systems and in "How the Living...". </div>
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<font color="#ff0000">Could you send it to me ?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Anyhow, when I referred to
"principles" I was not meaning your interpretation as
"origins" but to the usual way practicing scientists work on
them. For instance, after more than 30 years of painful
experimental, microscopy work on nervous systems, Ramon y
Cajal wrote his formidable "Textura del Sistema Nervioso del
Hombre y los Vertebrados", considered as the foundational opus
of modern neurosceince. There he exposed the new "Doctrine of
the Neuron", based on a few revolutionary principles...
Mutatis mutandis, it might be an interesting case-model
regarding the info science renewal commented in the previous
post. <br>
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To Alex, I see the opposite. Making the "universals" species
specific means that you can communicate and share gestalts far
more easily within your own phylum or class, or order, than
with the far distant ones. So, other mammals can approximately
"read" your facial expressions and postural stance, and get
your meaning, while starfish or insects will not. Don't you
think so?<br>
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To Bob (offline comment), many thanks for the comprehension. I
am happy that from different angles we see in common some
stumbling blocks to win. Actually, one needs both kinds of
criticisms, positive and negative, in order to advance a
little more in this viscous terrain... but making constructive
criticisms becomes a more difficult task.<br>
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Apologies if I have missed some other more brief comments. And
sorry Marcus if this was sort of a disruption, but I think
that your discussion topic invites quite a lot to transgress
the boundaries.<br>
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Best--Pedro<font size="+2"> </font><br>
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