[Fis] Fwd: Who may proof that consciousness is an Euclidean n-space ??? (Jerry Chandler)
Pedro C. Marijuan
pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
Wed Dec 7 11:22:43 CET 2016
Da: "Jerry LR Chandler" <jerry_lr_chandler at icloud.com>
Data: 05/12/2016 0.50
A: "fis"<fis at listas.unizar.es>
Cc: <tozziarturo at libero.it>
Ogg: Re: [Fis] Who may proof that consciousness is an Euclidean
n-space ???
FISers:
This is just a short note to communicate about two matters of
substantial importance with respect to foundational issues.
Several contributors to this list serve have proposed a
relationship between phenomena and biological structures /
processes and mathematics. Perhaps of greatest interest have
been the informational assertions seeking to relate mind /
consciousness / brain to either traditional mathematical forms
and/or Shannon information theory (with barely a mention of
either the semiotic or empirical necessities).
A common scientific flaw inhabits these several proposals. In my
view, this common flaw is the absence of the relationships
between scientific causality and mathematical symbols that are
necessary to meet the logic of Lesniewski / Tarski, that is, a
method to valid the proposed methods of representations.
(Krassimir’s post touched these concerns lightly.)
While it is possible to cite hundreds (if not thousands) of
texts that seek to relate scientific phenomenon with causality,
one well-written account addresses the logical relations
between scientific laws and the antecedent causes that generate
consequences of importance for the study of the information
sciences. see:
Studies in the Logic of Explanation
Carl G. Hempel; Paul Oppenheim
http://www.sfu.ca/~jillmc/Hempel%20and%20Oppenheim.pdf
<http://www.sfu.ca/%7Ejillmc/Hempel%20and%20Oppenheim.pdf>
I would like to emphasis that scientific inquiry necessarily
requires the use of multiple symbol systems and hence
intrinsically depends on the symbols used to express scientific
laws.
The second issue is relates to the various philosophical
perspectives that are related to information theory.
The web site
http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/bois-reymond/
present the views on numerous philosophers (see list below) AS
WELL AS critical perspectives from a physical viewpoint.
If time permits, I will add to this post in the coming week.
Cheers
Jerry
Philosophers
Mortimer Adler
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/adler/>
Rogers Albritton
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/albritton/>
Alexander of Aphrodisias
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/alexander/>
Samuel Alexander
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/alexanders/>
William Alston
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/alston/>
G.E.M.Anscombe
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/anscombe/>
Anselm
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/anselm/>
Louise Antony
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/antony/>
Thomas Aquinas
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/aquinas/>
Aristotle
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/aristotle/>
David Armstrong
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/armstrong/>
Harald Atmanspacher
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/atmanspacher/>
Robert Audi
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/audi/>
Augustine
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/augustine/>
J.L.Austin
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/austin/>
A.J.Ayer
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/ayer/>
Alexander Bain
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/bain/>
Mark Balaguer
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/balaguer/>
Jeffrey Barrett
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/barrett/>
William Belsham
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/belsham/>
Henri Bergson
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/bergson/>
Isaiah Berlin
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/berlin/>
Bernard Berofsky
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/berofsky/>
Robert Bishop
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/bishop/>
Max Black
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/black/>
Susanne Bobzien
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/bobzien/>
Emil du Bois-Reymond
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/bois-reymond/>
Hilary Bok
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/bok/>
Laurence BonJour
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/bonjour/>
George Boole
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/boole/>
Émile Boutroux
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/boutroux/>
F.H.Bradley
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C.D.Broad
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/broad/>
Michael Burke
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/burke/>
C.A.Campbell
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/campbell/>
Joseph Keim Campbell
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/campbellj/>
Rudolf Carnap
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/carnap/>
Carneades
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/carneades/>
Ernst Cassirer
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/cassirer/>
David Chalmers
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/chalmers/>
Roderick Chisholm
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/chisholm/>
Chrysippus
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/chrysippus/>
Cicero
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/Cicero/>
Randolph Clarke
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/clarke/>
Samuel Clarke
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/clarkes/>
Anthony Collins
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/collins/>
Antonella Corradini
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/corradini/>
Diodorus Cronus
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/diodorus/>
Jonathan Dancy
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/dancy/>
Donald Davidson
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/davidson/>
Mario De Caro
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/decaro/>
Democritus
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/democritus/>
Daniel Dennett
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/dennett/>
Jacques Derrida
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/derrida/>
René Descartes
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/descartes/>
Richard Double
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/double/>
Fred Dretske
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/dretske/>
John Dupré
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/dupre/>
John Earman
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/earman/>
Laura Waddell Ekstrom
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/ekstrom/>
Epictetus
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/epictetus/>
Epicurus
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/epicurus/>
Herbert Feigl
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/feigl/>
John Martin Fischer
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/fischer/>
Owen Flanagan
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/flanagan/>
Luciano Floridi
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/floridi/>
Philippa Foot
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/foot/>
Alfred Fouilleé
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/fouillee/>
Harry Frankfurt
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/frankfurt/>
Richard L. Franklin
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/franklin/>
Michael Frede
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/frede/>
Gottlob Frege
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/frege/>
Peter Geach
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/geach/>
Edmund Gettier
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/gettier/>
Carl Ginet
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/ginet/>
Alvin Goldman
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/goldman/>
Gorgias
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/gorgias/>
Nicholas St. John Green
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/green/>
H.Paul Grice
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/grice/>
Ian Hacking
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hacking/>
Ishtiyaque Haji
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/haji/>
Stuart Hampshire
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hampshire/>
W.F.R.Hardie
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hardie/>
Sam Harris
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/harris/>
William Hasker
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hasker/>
R.M.Hare
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hare/>
Georg W.F. Hegel
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hegel/>
Martin Heidegger
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/heidegger/>
R.E.Hobart
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hobart/>
Thomas Hobbes
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hobbes/>
David Hodgson
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hodgson/>
Shadsworth Hodgson
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hodgsons/>
Baron d'Holbach
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/dholbach/>
Ted Honderich
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/honderich/>
Pamela Huby
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/huby/>
David Hume
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/hume/>
Ferenc Huoranszki
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/huoranszki/>
William James
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/james/>
Lord Kames
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/kames/>
Robert Kane
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/kane/>
Immanuel Kant
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/kant/>
Tomis Kapitan
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/kapitan/>
Jaegwon Kim
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/kim/>
William King
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/king/>
Hilary Kornblith
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/kornblith/>
Christine Korsgaard
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/korsgaard/>
Saul Kripke
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/kripke/>
Andrea Lavazza
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/lavazza/>
Keith Lehrer
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/lehrer/>
Gottfried Leibniz
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/leibniz/>
Leucippus
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/leucippus/>
Michael Levin
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/levin/>
George Henry Lewes
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/lewes/>
C.I.Lewis
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/lewis/>
David Lewis
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/lewis/>
Peter Lipton
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/lipton/>
John Locke
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/locke/>
Michael Lockwood
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/lockwood/>
E. Jonathan Lowe
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/lowe/>
John R. Lucas
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/lucas/>
Lucretius
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/lucretius/>
Ruth Barcan Marcus
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/marcus/>
James Martineau
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/martineau/>
Storrs McCall
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/mccall/>
Hugh McCann
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/mccann/>
Colin McGinn
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/mcginn/>
Michael McKenna
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/mckenna/>
Brian McLaughlin
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/mclaughlin/>
Paul E. Meehl
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/meehl/>
Uwe Meixner
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/meixner/>
Alfred Mele
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/mele/>
Trenton Merricks
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/merricks/>
John Stuart Mill
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/mill/>
Dickinson Miller
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/miller/>
G.E.Moore
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/moore/>
C. Lloyd Morgan
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/knowledge/philosophers/morgan/>
Thomas Nagel
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/nagelt/>
Friedrich Nietzsche
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/nietzsche/>
John Norton
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/norton/>
P.H.Nowell-Smith
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/nowell-smith/>
Robert Nozick
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/nozick/>
William of Ockham
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/ockham/>
Timothy O'Connor
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/oconnor/>
David F. Pears
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/pears/>
Charles Sanders Peirce
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/peirce/>
Derk Pereboom
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/pereboom/>
Steven Pinker
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/pinker/>
Plato
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/plato/>
Karl Popper
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/popper/>
Porphyry
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/porphyry/>
Huw Price
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/price/>
H.A.Prichard
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/prichard/>
Hilary Putnam
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/putnam/>
Willard van Orman Quine
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/quine/>
Frank Ramsey
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Ayn Rand
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Michael Rea
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/rea/>
Thomas Reid
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/reid/>
Charles Renouvier
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/renouvier/>
Nicholas Rescher
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/rescher/>
C.W.Rietdijk
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/rietdijk/>
Richard Rorty
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/rorty/>
Josiah Royce
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/royce/>
Bertrand Russell
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/russell/>
Paul Russell
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/russellp/>
Gilbert Ryle
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/ryle/>
Jean-Paul Sartre
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/sartre/>
Kenneth Sayre
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/sayre/>
T.M.Scanlon
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/scanlon/>
Moritz Schlick
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/schlick/>
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<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/schopenhauer/>
John Searle
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/searle/>
Wilfrid Sellars
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/sellars/>
Alan Sidelle
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/sidelle/>
Ted Sider
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/sider/>
Henry Sidgwick
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/sidgwick/>
Walter Sinnott-Armstrong
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/sinnott-armstrong/>
J.J.C.Smart
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Michael Smith
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/smith/>
Baruch Spinoza
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/spinoza/>
L. Susan Stebbing
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/stebbing/>
George F. Stout
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/stout/>
Galen Strawson
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/strawsong/>
Peter Strawson
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/strawson/>
Eleonore Stump
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/stump/>
Francisco Suárez
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/suarez/>
Richard Taylor
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/taylorr/>
Kevin Timpe
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/timpe/>
Mark Twain
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/twain/>
Peter Unger
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/unger/>
Peter van Inwagen
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/vaninwagen/>
Manuel Vargas
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/vargas/>
John Venn
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/venn/>
Kadri Vihvelin
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/vihvelin/>
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<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/voltaire/>
G.H. von Wright
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/vonwright/>
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<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/wallacedf/>
R. Jay Wallace
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/wallace/>
W.G.Ward
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Ted Warfield
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/warfield/>
Roy Weatherford
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William Whewell
<http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/whewell/>
Alfred North Whitehead
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Scientists
> On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:06 PM, tozziarturo at libero.it
> <mailto:tozziarturo at libero.it> wrote:
>
> Dear Krassimir,
> Thanks a lot for your question, now the discussion will become
> hotter!
>
> First of all, we never stated that consciousness lies either
> on a n-sphere or on an Euclidean n-space.
> Indeed, in our framework, consciousness IS the continuous
> function.
> Such function stands for a gauge field that restores the brain
> symmetries, broken by sensations.
> Concerning brain and gauge fields, see my PLOS biology paper:
> http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1002400
>
> When consciousness lacks, the inter-dimensional projections
> are broken, and the nervous higher functions temporarily
> disappear.
>
> Concerning the question about which are the manifolds where
> brain functions lie, it does not matter whether they are
> spheres, or circles, or concave, or flat structures: we
> demonstrated that the BUT is valid not just for convex
> manifolds, but for all the kinds of manifolds.
> See our:
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jnr.23720/abstract?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
>
> Therefore, even if you think that brain and biological
> functions are trajectories moving on concave structures
> towards lesser energetic levels, as suggested by, e.g.,
> Fokker-Planck equations, it does not matter: you may always
> find the antipodal points with matching description predicted
> by BUT.
>
> Ciao!
>
> --
> Inviato da Libero Mail per Android
>
> sabato, 26 novembre 2016, 06:23PM +01:00 da Krassimir
> Markovmarkov at foibg.com <mailto:markov at foibg.com>:
>
> Dear FIS colleagues,
>
> I think, it is needed to put discussion on mathematical
> foundation. Let me remember that:
>
>
> The*Borsuk–Ulam theorem*(BUT), states that
> every*continuous function*from
> an/n/-sphereinto*Euclidean/n/-space*maps some pair
> ofantipodal pointsto the same point.
>
> Here, two points on a sphere are called antipodal if they
> are in exactly opposite directions from the sphere's center.
>
> Formally:*if**is**continuous*then there exists ansuch that:.
>
> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borsuk%E2%80%93Ulam_theorem]
>
>
> Who may proof that consciousness is a *continuous
> function*from reflected reality ???
>
> Who may proof that consciousness is an*Euclidean/n/-space*???
>
> After proving these statements we may think further.
>
>
> Yes, discussion is interesting but, I am afraid, it is not
> so scientific.
>
>
> Friendly regards
>
> Krassimir
>
>
>
>
>
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