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Da: "Jerry LR Chandler"
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Data: 05/12/2016 0.50<br>
A: "fis"<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tozziarturo@libero.it"><tozziarturo@libero.it></a><br>
Ogg: Re: [Fis] Who may proof that consciousness is an
Euclidean n-space ???<br>
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<div class="">This is just a short note to communicate about
two matters of substantial importance with respect to
foundational issues.</div>
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<div class="">Several contributors to this list serve have
proposed a relationship between phenomena and biological
structures / processes and mathematics. Perhaps of greatest
interest have been the informational assertions seeking to
relate mind / consciousness / brain to either traditional
mathematical forms and/or Shannon information theory (with
barely a mention of either the semiotic or empirical
necessities).</div>
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<div class="">A common scientific flaw inhabits these several
proposals. In my view, this common flaw is the absence of
the relationships between scientific causality and
mathematical symbols that are necessary to meet the logic of
Lesniewski / Tarski, that is, a method to valid the proposed
methods of representations. (Krassimir’s post touched these
concerns lightly.)</div>
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<div class="">While it is possible to cite hundreds (if not
thousands) of texts that seek to relate scientific
phenomenon with causality, one well-written account
addresses the logical relations between scientific laws and
the antecedent causes that generate consequences of
importance for the study of the information sciences. see:</div>
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Explanation</span></div>
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font-family: 'Times'" class="">Carl G. Hempel;
Paul Oppenheim </span></p>
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<div class=""> I would like to emphasis that scientific
inquiry necessarily requires the use of multiple symbol
systems and hence intrinsically depends on the symbols used
to express scientific laws. </div>
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<div class="">The second issue is relates to the various
philosophical perspectives that are related to information
theory.</div>
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<div class="">present the views on numerous philosophers (see
list below) AS WELL AS critical perspectives from a physical
viewpoint.</div>
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<div class="">If time permits, I will add to this post in the
coming week. </div>
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<div class="">Cheers</div>
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<div class="">Jerry </div>
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Thanks a lot for your question, now the discussion
will become hotter!</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
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0px;" class="">First of all, we never stated that
consciousness lies either on a n-sphere or on an
Euclidean n-space.<br class="">
Indeed, in our framework, consciousness IS the
continuous function.<span
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Such function stands for a gauge field that restores
the brain symmetries, broken by sensations.<span
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Concerning brain and gauge fields, see my PLOS
biology paper:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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inter-dimensional projections are broken, and the
nervous higher functions temporarily disappear. <span
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<p dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
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0px;" class="">Concerning the question about which
are the manifolds where brain functions lie, it does
not matter whether they are spheres, or circles, or
concave, or flat structures: we demonstrated that
the BUT is valid not just for convex manifolds, but
for all the kinds of manifolds. <span
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See our:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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0px;" class="">Therefore, even if you think that
brain and biological functions are trajectories
moving on concave structures towards lesser
energetic levels, as suggested by, e.g.,
Fokker-Planck equations, it does not matter: you may
always find the antipodal points with matching
description predicted by BUT. <span
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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to put discussion on mathematical
foundation. Let me remember that:</font></p>
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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some pair of<span
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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sphere are called antipodal if they
are in exactly opposite directions
from the sphere's center.</font></p>
<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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class="">if</strong><span
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reflected reality ???</font></font></p>
<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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proof that consciousness is an<span
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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statements we may think further.</font></p>
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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interesting but, I am afraid, it is
not so scientific.</font></p>
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Times New
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