[Fis] RV: THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL? (R.Capurro)
John Collier
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Mon May 18 23:13:49 CEST 2015
List,
Popper is famous for his Three Worlds model, in which ideas sit out there in their own world (the others are material and mental, roughly). The problems approach, I think, is directed at this world. However I think that systems theorists should agree at least that there are general problems that involve many different disciplines (Rosen calls them sometime metaphors, but he means mathematical or structural Formalisms that have wide generality). By solving some of these general problems we can facilitate the generation of solutions to more specific problems, both theoretical and practical. That is what systems theory is about.
Popper considered himself a realist, but thought that the object of theory (problem solutions) was verisimilitude. Exactly what that means is still a matter of debate.
I agree with Joseph about the usefulness of the bibliometric work. I found it interesting, working in ecology right now, that despite many ecologists accepting that there is a socio-ecological system that requires study to solve ecological problems, that there were few if any references crossing ecology and management and political science. That reflects my reading in the fields.
John
From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Joseph Brenner
Sent: May 17, 2015 11:14 AM
To: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ; fis at listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] RV: THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL? (R.Capurro)
Dear All,
I agree with Rafael that there is an anti-realist flavor to Popper's concept of problems. However, it indicates to me an intiution that there is something important going on between disciplines. This is a dynamic aspect which I feel is not captured by diagrams such as Loet's :-) in which the connections between disciplines are represented by sets of lines.
I would not be so hard as Dino on bibliometrics as such, but I think that once classifications and maps have been established, it is important to talk about where to go next.
Best wishes,
Joseph
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Asunto: Re: [Fis] THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL?
Karl Popper once suggested (Conjectures and Refutations, p. 67) that we should not think in terms or "subject matter(s)" or "disciplines" but in terms of "problems". Problems do not arise within a fixed definition of a discipline ("essentialism") but within a tradition where a theory is being discussed. In this sense, theories are in some sense "disciplines" or can be conceived as "loose clusters" of theories. But Popper speaks about a "world of problems in themselves" which is a kind of Platonism not only because it separates such "problems in themselves" from their connection to the world _as_ perceived (ie. interpreted) by humans, but also because it creates a knowledge hierarchy by giving theoretical knowledge a higher status than practical knowledge. Thirty years ago (sic) I wrote some thoughts on this issue. See: http://www.capurro.de/trita.htm
Rafael
Rafael
It is important to say that Rosembloom suggested a new way of seeing disciplines. For him, any discipline is composed by 4 great scientific domains (these domains are not disciplines). For example: biophysics = L + P (chapter 2).
To be a great domain there are requisites (chapter 6) and we defend that Informational is the 4th scientific domain.
The problem is to verify (with bibliometrics) if this is a good approach. I think Loet's method can be a very good to make this verification.
Best,
Moisés André Nisenbaum
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Em 15/05/2015 12:43, "Dino Buzzetti" <dino.buzzetti at gmail.com<mailto:dino.buzzetti at gmail.com>> escreveu:
And what about history, philosophy, philology and so on ? aren't they
sciences at all ? what's the epistemological ground of your "classification"
of sciences ? isn't the absence of maths in the map a problem at all ? aren't
biology, physics, computer science, and other natural sciences, mentioned
in philosophy of science, history of science and so on ? is the history of
science an historian's or a natural scientist's business ? do natural scientists
care about it at all ? or isn't it anybody's concern the extension of bibliometric
criteria to the evaluation of research in the domains of history, philosophy,
and so on ?
Best, -dino buzzetti
On 15 May 2015 at 10:25, Loet Leydesdorff <loet at leydesdorff.net<mailto:loet at leydesdorff.net>> wrote:
Dear Soren,
We formulated at p. 591 of: Loet Leydesdorff, Stephen Carley, and Ismael Rafols, Global Maps of Science based on the new Web-of-Science Categories, <http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1914.pdf> Scientometrics 94(2) (2013) 589-593; <open access<http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11192-012-0784-8>> [software<http://www.leydesdorff.net/overlaytoolkit/>], as follows:
“The organization into these four groups (biomedical, physical, environmental, and social sciences) is now provided as another (optional) partition within the Pajek (.paj) file containing the base map, and is also made available as input to VOSviewer.”
The partitioning into four and six domains was generated by my co-authors. I prefer to use the 19 disciplines on the basis of factor analysis of the matrix. However, one can ask for a four-factor solution, and then one is free to designate the factors.
In the figure below, I overlaid Pedro’s 23 publications included in WoS in terms of these four major domains. Making such portfolio overlays is the main purpose of the technique.
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The nodes are sized with the log(n+1); n is the number of publications. (The “+1” prevents single publications from disappearing.)
Best,
Loet
PS. This is my second mailing during this week. L.
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