[Fis] Fwd: Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference & significance
Stanley N Salthe
ssalthe at binghamton.edu
Mon Jan 19 17:04:05 CET 2015
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From: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference &
significance
To: Stanley N Salthe <ssalthe at binghamton.edu>
Good comment! But not only to me, it has general interest, you should put
it into the list too... ---Pedro
Stanley N Salthe wrote:
>
> Pedro -- The Four Domains of Science diagram is reminiscent of the
> hierarchy of scientific disciplines outlined by Comte, Spencer and Peirce.
> Thus (using the subsumptive hierarchy):
>
>
> {informational realm {physicochemical realm {Biological realm {social
> realm}}}}
>
>
> Information is here viewed as preceding any of the other realms. It is
> not clear how to understand this. Peirce had in this position ‘Universal
> Mind’, which I think could be viewed as informational. Comte had
> mathematics here, reifying what many would take to be an emergent human, or
> animal, capability.
>
> Many today would likely not give information a separate realm, but would
> take it to emerge with the physical world (?Wheeler?). I think this
> coincides with my own view.
>
>
> STAN
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:25 AM, pedro marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
> <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Stan (next Monday I will resend the figure). By the way, it
> would be great if you can contribute to warm up the session!
> Best--Pedro
> BlackBerry de movistar, allí donde estés está tu oficin@
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> *From: * Stanley N Salthe <ssalthe at binghamton.edu
> <mailto:ssalthe at binghamton.edu>>
> *Date: *Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:39:40 -0500
> *To: *Pedro C. Marijuan<pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
> <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>>
> *Subject: *Re: [Fis] Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of
> reference & significance
>
> Oedro -- The figure does not show in this message.
>
> STAN
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan
> <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>> wrote:
>
> Dear Terry and FIS colleagues---and pirates,
>
> Just a brief reflection on the below.
>
> (From Terry's last message)...
> So my goal in this case is quite modest, and yet perhaps also a bit
> foolhardy. I want to suggest a simplest possible model system to
> use
> as the basis for formalizing the link between physical processes
> and
> semiotic processes. Perhaps someday after considerably elaborating
> this analysis it could contribute to issues of the psychology of
> human
> interactions. I hope to recruit some interest into pursuing this
> goal.
>
> In my view, any research endeavor is also accompanied by some
> "ultimate" goals or ends that go beyond the quite explicit
> disciplinary ones. In this case, say, about the destiny of the
> constructs that would surround the information concept (or the
> possibility of framing an informational perspective, or a
> renewed information science, or whatever), wouldn't it be
> interesting discussing in extenso what could that ultimate
> vision?
>
> I mean, most of us may agree in quite many points related to
> the microphysical (& thermodynamic) underpinning of
> information, as it transpires in the exchanges we are
> having--but where do we want to arrive finally with the
> construction activity? I tend to disagree with localist aims,
> even though at the time being they may look more prudent and
> parsimonious. Putting it in brief, too briefly!, and borrowing
> from Rosenbloom (P.S. 2013. On Computing: The Fourth Great
> Scientific Domain) the idea is that information science,
> properly developed and linked with computer science and
> mathematics, should constitute one of the Great Domains of
> contemporary science. The informational would go together with
> the physical, the biological, and the social: constituting the
> four great domains of science. See Figure below. Rather than
> attempting the construction of another average or standard
> discipline, information science is about the making out of one
> of the “great scientific domains” of contemporary knowledge.
>
> More cogent arguments could be elaborated on how to cover
> sceintifically the whole "information world" (human societies,
> behaving individuals, brain organization, cellular processes,
> biomolecules) and the problem of interlocking--crisscrossing a
> myriad of information flows at all levels. But the point is,
> "ends", although unassailable, may be as much important as
> "beginnings".
>
> Thanks in advance for the patience!
>
> ---Pedro
>
>
>
> **
>
>
> *Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science*. The graphic
> shows the network of contemporary disciplines in the background;
> while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four
> great scientific domains.
>
>
>
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> Pedro C. Marijuán
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
50009 Zaragoza, Spain
Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/
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