<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Pedro C. Marijuan</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:02 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Fis] Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference & significance<br>To: Stanley N Salthe <<a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a>><br><br><br>Good comment! But not only to me, it has general interest, you should put it into the list too... ---Pedro<br>
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Stanley N Salthe wrote:<br>
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Pedro -- The Four Domains of Science diagram is reminiscent of the hierarchy of scientific disciplines outlined by Comte, Spencer and Peirce. Thus (using the subsumptive hierarchy):<br>
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{informational realm {physicochemical realm {Biological realm {social realm}}}}<br>
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Information is here viewed as preceding any of the other realms. It is not clear how to understand this. Peirce had in this position ‘Universal Mind’, which I think could be viewed as informational. Comte had mathematics here, reifying what many would take to be an emergent human, or animal, capability. <br>
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Many today would likely not give information a separate realm, but would take it to emerge with the physical world (?Wheeler?). I think this coincides with my own view.<br>
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STAN <br>
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:25 AM, pedro marijuan <<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@<u></u>aragon.es</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Thanks Stan (next Monday I will resend the figure). By the way, it<br>
would be great if you can contribute to warm up the session!<br>
Best--Pedro<br>
BlackBerry de movistar, allí donde estés está tu oficin@<br>
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*From: * Stanley N Salthe <<a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu" target="_blank">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a><br>
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*Date: *Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:39:40 -0500<br>
*To: *Pedro C. Marijuan<<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@<u></u>aragon.es</a><br>
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*Subject: *Re: [Fis] Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of<br>
reference & significance<br>
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Oedro -- The figure does not show in this message.<br>
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STAN<br>
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan<br>
<<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@<u></u>aragon.es</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Dear Terry and FIS colleagues---and pirates,<br>
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Just a brief reflection on the below.<br>
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(From Terry's last message)...<br>
So my goal in this case is quite modest, and yet perhaps also a bit<br>
foolhardy. I want to suggest a simplest possible model system to use<br>
as the basis for formalizing the link between physical processes and<br>
semiotic processes. Perhaps someday after considerably elaborating<br>
this analysis it could contribute to issues of the psychology of human<br>
interactions. I hope to recruit some interest into pursuing this goal.<br>
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In my view, any research endeavor is also accompanied by some<br>
"ultimate" goals or ends that go beyond the quite explicit<br>
disciplinary ones. In this case, say, about the destiny of the<br>
constructs that would surround the information concept (or the<br>
possibility of framing an informational perspective, or a<br>
renewed information science, or whatever), wouldn't it be<br>
interesting discussing in extenso what could that ultimate<br>
vision?<br>
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I mean, most of us may agree in quite many points related to<br>
the microphysical (& thermodynamic) underpinning of<br>
information, as it transpires in the exchanges we are<br>
having--but where do we want to arrive finally with the<br>
construction activity? I tend to disagree with localist aims,<br>
even though at the time being they may look more prudent and<br>
parsimonious. Putting it in brief, too briefly!, and borrowing<br>
from Rosenbloom (P.S. 2013. On Computing: The Fourth Great<br>
Scientific Domain) the idea is that information science,<br>
properly developed and linked with computer science and<br>
mathematics, should constitute one of the Great Domains of<br>
contemporary science. The informational would go together with<br>
the physical, the biological, and the social: constituting the<br>
four great domains of science. See Figure below. Rather than<br>
attempting the construction of another average or standard<br>
discipline, information science is about the making out of one<br>
of the “great scientific domains” of contemporary knowledge.<br>
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More cogent arguments could be elaborated on how to cover<br>
sceintifically the whole "information world" (human societies,<br>
behaving individuals, brain organization, cellular processes,<br>
biomolecules) and the problem of interlocking--crisscrossing a<br>
myriad of information flows at all levels. But the point is,<br>
"ends", although unassailable, may be as much important as<br>
"beginnings".<br>
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Thanks in advance for the patience!<br>
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---Pedro<br>
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*Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science*. The graphic<br>
shows the network of contemporary disciplines in the background;<br>
while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four<br>
great scientific domains.<br>
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