[Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 130, Issue 29
Katherine Peil
ktpeil at outlook.com
Wed Feb 18 21:01:16 CET 2026
Hello Friends,
To add the female perspective, at least from my experience:
1. Breastfeeding does not a give woman sexual pleasure, it can be quite painful. As far as I know, my son never got aroused when nursing, but he did respond to the warmth, nourishment, contentment and the safety of the Sacred Feminine. As a man now, he is in touch with his own Anima, emotionally intelligent, creative, and intuitive. He respects women, cooks, cleans, does all the man-stuff, and is a wonderful father.
2. Not all women want big breasts for precisely the reasons men respond to them. (Not to mention the physical burden.) When pregnant I went from being proud member of the Itty Bitty Titty Committee, to something akin the Vargas Girl in Playboy magazine. The new level of attention - and the kind of men it drew - was most unwelcome. That is neither to say that women do not care about their appearance, nor respond to the visual nature of men. It is to say that we do not exploit sexual power any more than we want men to exploit their superior physical power. (We even have our own girl codes about showing reserve rather than flaunting bodaciousness. But yes, some women do take sexual power to the extreme of dominating the lives of their men - "just because they can". As Pedro's movie suggests.)
3. Standard evolutionary theory omits almost all the relevant aspects of the emotional system, which is common biology within both men and women. The real "causal" factor of competitive tension between the sexes, is the rigid gender roles associated with biological sex. Those have curtailed optimal emotional development in men as much as they have limited equitable empowerment of women.
4. Women treated as mere sex objects is an act of domination if not misogyny. Having perused the Epstein files of late, the depth of the sexism and male entitlement is simply astounding. (With even Deepak Chopra engaging in "locker-room banter" about "cute girls" with a convicted pedophile.) That signals immaturity at best and toxic masculinity at worst. My response: Please stick with porn and leave us out of the loop.
5. Eric is right. The way to seduce a woman is with humor, which communicates humility and compassion about the common human condition. For women, genuine loving connection begins there, with safety and equal humanity. But ultimately, sexual attraction is just the very first layer of something much more profound, something spiritual - a divine resonance of interbeing, the sacred embodied union of Yin and Yang complements - an expansive creative completion of oneself. A whole new transcendent level of consciousness, as the Tantric traditions suggest.
Just something to think about when, as Robin Williams said with great enthusiasm: "Its springtime and the boobies come out!".
With kindred affection and respect,
Kate Kauffman
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On 2/18/26, 9:17 AM, "Fis" <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> wrote: Katherine Peil Kauffman
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Today's Topics:
1. Emergence of Human Sexual Behaviour. Anxiety management
(Christophe Menant)
2. Emergence of Human Sexual Behaviour--Siegmund Freud
(Rainer Feistel (IOW))
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2026 13:25:37 +0000
From: Christophe Menant <christophe.menant at hotmail.fr>
To: "rainer.feistel at iow.de" <rainer.feistel at iow.de>
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Subject: [Fis] Emergence of Human Sexual Behaviour. Anxiety
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Dear Rainer,
Your focus on the transition to bipedal gait as supporting pre-human sexual evolution is original and interesting. It highlights a complex subject that may be influencing our human behavior much more than assumed. Regarding this last perspective, let me propose a possible development of human sexuality based on sexual related pleasures that our pre-human ancestors may have been looking for in order to limit a specific pre-human anxiety.
You may know the hypothesis about evolution of our ancestors toward self-consciousness bringing them to face new anxieties coming from identifications with suffering conspecifics (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fphilpapers.org%2Farchive%2FMENEOS-5.pdf__%3B!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TlZuTh90Sdeug5sWxjjcSH2MceRaZCtf3fXO6OnAoOcqzfGApSpGzxrSqWs6wZKBMH48hcBIrn3piStx0JIHTDuRsMM3H0UY%24&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cf83990db9e7f426c7f2208de6f09266e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639070282257065458%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jQNr%2BDpSgLPTwPc0%2BrVryKSVJWTQLXzSjcJpQCyya3o%3D&reserved=0 ). To limit that mental suffering our ancestors may have been obliged to look for new anxiety limitation processes. Pleasure, as naturally limiting anxiety, could have been a candidate for various developments in that perspective. More precisely, it was possible for our ancestors to extend sexual pleasure by developing its occurrence independently of reproduction concerns. Developing and amplifying sexual relations could have been an easy, and quite natural, way for our ancestors to limit the anxiety increase they were facing.
What is proposed here is that our ancestors have capitalized on sexual pleasures to develop sources of anxiety limitation. This could have led pre-human sexuality to become highly ritualized and very different from chimpanzee?s sexual behaviours.
For instance, here are some human sexual specificities the implementation of which could illustrate the search for more pleasure by our pre-human ancestors:
- No mating season, sexual pleasure possible at any time. Permanent breast as signal.
- Sexual behaviors embedded in symbolic, emotional, and cultural systems. More emotional sharing by face mating.
- Sexual pleasure layered with self-consciousness, fantasy, attachment, anxiety, and meaning.
- Sexual pleasure more intense as psychologically deeper, more elaborated and more cognitively amplified.
The above hypothesis brings sexuality and anxiety limitation to be at the forefront of human motivations. This subject is not new but deserves being developed a bit more, I feel.
Thanks again Rainer for having introduced it.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2026 17:16:17 +0100
From: "Rainer Feistel (IOW)" <rainer.feistel at iow.de>
To: Jason Hu <jasonthegoodman at gmail.com>
Cc: "fis at listas.unizar.es" <fis at listas.unizar.es>
Subject: [Fis] Emergence of Human Sexual Behaviour--Siegmund Freud
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Hi Jason,
While I am not an expert of Freud, and don't intend to become one, I
believe that Freud did not really distinguish
between the pleasure of drinking and that of sexual arousal. For example:
Freud (1920: p.36):
"Die erste und lebenswichtigste T?tigkeit des Kindes, das Saugen an der
Mutterbrust (oder an ihren Surrogaten), mu? es bereits mit dieser Lust
vertraut gemacht haben. Wir w?rden sagen, die Lippen des Kindes haben
sich benommen wie eine erogene Zone, und die Reizung durch den warmen
Milchstrom war wohl die Ursache der Lustempfindung."
Let me try a translation:
"The first activity of the child, and the most relevant for survival,
the sucking at the mother's breast (or its surrogates) must have
acquainted it with this delight [of satisfaction]. We would say that the
child's lips have behaved like an erogenous zone, and the stimulation by
the warm stream of milk was likely the cause of the sensation of delight."
If I understand your argument correctly, you link the child's (asexual!)
pleasure of drinking to the later sexual interest of men in breasts and
nipples. However, soon after weaning the infants develop lactose
intolerance which strongly prevents them from the pleasure of drinking
mother's milk. It is unclear to me how that interest in breasts, based
on drinking milk as a baby, should return after sexual maturation
without any interest in drinking milk from the girlfriend's breast. And,
also girls do drink milk when being babies, so why don't they develop a
similar sexual interest in inspecting breasts as boys have?
Anyway, your hierarchy of needs is nice. Thanks for that. Hope we manage
level 8.
Rainer
Am 18.02.2026 um 14:16 schrieb Jason Hu:
> Hi Rainer,
> "A?nice memory of when we were newborn babies feeding from the
> breasts" is not sexuality, IMHO. I mentioned the word "food" only.
> Therefore, your linking my words to Freud does not hold.??
>
> In oriental culture, we have "an hierarchy of needs" different from
> Maslow's. "Food" is the first layer. "Sex" is the second. Here is my
> version:
> 1-Drink-Food(survival);
> 2-Male-Female(sex);
> 3-Sound-Color(art);
> 4-Dog-Horse(hunting);
> 5-Wave-watching(history-society);
> 6-Tide-playing(participation in politics & businesses);
> 7-Speaking of Tao(authoring);
> 8-Reaching Understanding(Communicatics)
> My initial message to you was on level 1, not level 2. Now I'm trying
> on level 8 with you.
> Best - Jason
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2026 at 3:43?AM Rainer Feistel (IOW)
> <rainer.feistel at iow.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> I believe your argument had already been presented in detail by
> Siegmund Freud,
> e.g. in Freud, S. (1920): Drei Abhandlungen zur Sexualtheorie. F.
> Deuticke, Leipzig,
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> likely be an English edition, too).
> Freud argues that breastfeeding is a sexual experience for
> sucklings, accompanied by sexual arousal.
>
> I do not at all share Freud's hypothesis.
> If so, why don't have all mammals sexy breasts, cats and dogs,
> pics and cows, and especially chimps?
> In fact, they all reduce their mammary glands after weaning, just
> in contrast to humans. Why?
> Do boys/men find their mother's breasts sexually attractive and do
> they always attempt to squeeze and suck those?
> Do mothers typically present their breasts to their sons with
> sexual intentions?
> Could this regularly be observed or often personally be
> experienced, in retrospect?
>
> On Nov 5, 1953, in a phone call with his friend Johanna Fantova in
> Priceton, Albert Einstein concluded that
> "Freud was a bright man, but a lot of his theory I consider as
> rubbish"
> I share Einstein's opinion regarding Freud's Oedipus complex.
>
> Perhaps it is American prudery that prohibits breastfeeding in the
> public as a sexual offence.
> In my view, breastfeeding is natural childcare rather than sexual
> exhibitionism.
>
> Stastically, the milk production of women is uncorrelated with the
> size of their adipose breasts.
>
> As far as I may imagine, most women do not want to miss their
> breasts as female symbols.
> Losing them for medical reasons is usually a hard decision if
> there is no other way. Some even
> prefer to risk their life rather than living without breasts. But
> this is just my personal impression.
>
> Rainer
>
> Am 18.02.2026 um 02:14 schrieb Jason Hu:
>> Hi Rainer,
>>
>> I just browsed the recent FIS discussions triggered by your
>> interesting ideas.? I'm puzzled about why nobody so far?has
>> suggested a different but simpler hypothesis about man's love of
>> female breasts:
>>
>> Could it be just a nice memory of when we were newborn babies
>> feeding from the breasts? Would that nice, warm, satisfying
>> feeling be memorized in the pool of our instinct after growing
>> up? The preference for the bigger breasts also becomes
>> explainable - it simply means more milk food.??? For adult males
>> searching for a good mate, larger breasts are informational
>> symbols of "my baby can be well fed," therefore, a desirable plus
>> in addition to everything else.
>>
>> This hypothesis, however, needs to be checked from the women's
>> perspective. I don't know if women like breasts as much as men
>> do. But there might be two more differentiating variables: Women
>> might have "extra inconvenience" of having to carry such fat mass
>> (e.g., when having to run fast), and men might have some "envy of
>> not having those nice body parts."
>>
>> Just my two cents of food for thought.
>>
>> Regards - Jason
>> ------------------------------------
>> Jason Jixuan Hu, Ph.D.
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>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 6:49?AM Rainer Feistel (IOW)
>> <rainer.feistel at iow.de> wrote:
>>
>> Caro Francesco,
>>
>> My Italian is only rudimentary. Is this what you ask for?
>>
>> Dear Pedro & the experts of art:
>>
>> You wrote that "a great movie ... made me laugh".
>>
>> Can we agree that films are a specific form of art?
>> Films represent something else (namely, e.g., certain humans
>> in certain situations)
>> than they physically are themselves (namely, strings of
>> photos or of computer bits).
>> Given that, can we agree that films are symbols, even if
>> complex ones?
>> May we also agree that even art in general consists of
>> specific kinds of symbols?
>>
>> Art is produced by humans with the intention to be received
>> by (mostly) other humans.
>> Can we agree that art is symbolic communication between humans?
>> And that the artist's intended effect of art at the receiver
>> is inducing emotions?
>> In the body, emotions are carried by symbols, either certain
>> chemicals, nerve pulses
>> or cellular excitation states.
>>
>> So, is art a specific kind of symbolic information transfer
>> between humans?
>>
>> By the way, also sex symbols such as bosoms have the purpose
>> of inducing emotions.
>>
>> Rainer
>>
>> Am 17.02.2026 um 13:32 schrieb Francesco Rizzo:
>>>
>>> Caro Rainer.
>>>
>>> non riesco a leggere il tuo ultimo messaggio. Puoi
>>>
>>> inviarlo di nuovo?
>>>
>>> Grazie.
>>>
>>> Francesco
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>>>
>>> Caro Rainer,
>>>
>>> non riesco a leggere il tuo ultimo messaggio. Puoi inviarlo
>>> di nuovo??
>>>
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>>> Il giorno lun 16 feb 2026 alle ore 21:34 Pedro C. Mariju?n
>>> <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Dear Rainer & FIS Colleagues,
>>>
>>> First, I would like to join our Chinese Colleagues in
>>> the Celebration of their New Year. The year of the
>>> Horse: *???? (X?nni?n ku?il?)*
>>>
>>> And then I would like to ad some fun to the provocative
>>> hypothesis of Rainer on the evolution of female breast.
>>> It comes from a great movie:
>>>
>>> "... this scene from It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World
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>>> Milton Berle (J. Russell Finch) and Terry-Thomas (J.
>>> Algernon Hawthorne)?- it made me laugh and I ended up
>>> watching the rest of the film.
>>>
>>> *J. Algernon Hawthorne*: I must say that if I had the
>>> grievous misfortune to be a citizen of this benighted
>>> country, I should be the most hesitant of offering any
>>> criticism whatever of any other.
>>>
>>> *J. Russell Finch*: Wait a minute, are you knocking this
>>> country? Are you saying something against America?
>>>
>>> *J. Algernon Hawthorne*: Against it? I should be
>>> positively astounded to hear anything that could be said
>>> FOR it. Why the whole bloody place is the most
>>> unspeakable matriarchy in the whole history of
>>> civilization! Look at yourself! The way your wife and
>>> her strumpet of a mother push you through the hoop!
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, American men have been totally
>>> emasculated- they're like slaves! They die like flies
>>> from coronary thrombosis while their women sit under
>>> hairdryers eating chocolates & arranging for every 2nd
>>> Tuesday to be some sort of Mother's Day!
>>>
>>> And this positively infantile preoccupation with bosoms.
>>> In all time in this wretched Godforsaken country, the
>>> one thing that has appalled me most of all this this
>>> preposterous preoccupation with bosoms.
>>>
>>> Don't you realize they have become the dominant theme in
>>> American culture: in literature, advertising and all
>>> fields of entertainment and everything. I'll wager you
>>> anything you like that if American women stopped wearing
>>> brassieres, your whole national economy would collapse
>>> overnight."
>>>
>>> The two characters are in a car, maintaining this
>>> bizarre dialogue while driving in the quest for a lost
>>> booty. Curiously in a previous scene there is another
>>> amazing dialogue about all the possible partitions of
>>> that booty among the different groups involved in the
>>> quest. Watch it!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> --Pedro
>>>
>>>
>>> El 16/02/2026 a las 11:21, Rainer Feistel (IOW) escribi?:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Krassimir,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, thanks, I fully agree.
>>>>
>>>> It is evident that e.g. viruses inject their own
>>>> genetic information into
>>>> the host cell which then starts producing more viruses ...
>>>>
>>>> Genetic information, I think, is the first form of
>>>> symbolic information, so
>>>> that the origin of life is also the origin of symbols.
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>>>>
>>>> Rainer
>>>>
>>>> Am 15.02.2026 um 23:19 schrieb Krassimir Markov:
>>>>> Dear Rainer,
>>>>> Your ideas that you have been working on lately are
>>>>> interesting and could find wider support among
>>>>> specialists.
>>>>> For me, as a specialist in the field of information
>>>>> studies, this is another good example of information
>>>>> interaction.
>>>>> It should be specially noted that verbal information
>>>>> interaction is a small part of all possible ones and
>>>>> is only between people.
>>>>> However, in nature, forms of information interaction
>>>>> are diverse and occur at all levels of living matter -
>>>>> starting from the lowest, perhaps cells (I have no
>>>>> examples of a lower level!) and continuing to the
>>>>> social level between people.
>>>>> With respect,
>>>>> Krassimir
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Note: New Email Address:rainer.feistel at iow.de
>>>> Dr. rer. nat. habil. Rainer Feistel
>>>> Physicist (emeritus)
>>>> PS Gustav Hertz Prize, Berlin 1981
>>>> CITAC Best Paper Award, Paris 2011
>>>> IAPWS Honorary Fellow, London 2013
>>>> BIPM Metrologia Highlight Articles, Paris 2016
>>>> EGU Fridtjof Nansen Medal, Vienna 2018
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>> Note: New Email Address:rainer.feistel at iow.de
>> Dr. rer. nat. habil. Rainer Feistel
>> Physicist (emeritus)
>> PS Gustav Hertz Prize, Berlin 1981
>> CITAC Best Paper Award, Paris 2011
>> IAPWS Honorary Fellow, London 2013
>> BIPM Metrologia Highlight Articles, Paris 2016
>> EGU Fridtjof Nansen Medal, Vienna 2018
>> LS Daniel Ernst Jablonski Medal, Berlin 2021
>> IAPWS Gibbs Award, Boulder, Co., 2024
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> Note: New Email Address:rainer.feistel at iow.de
> Dr. rer. nat. habil. Rainer Feistel
> Physicist (emeritus)
> PS Gustav Hertz Prize, Berlin 1981
> CITAC Best Paper Award, Paris 2011
> IAPWS Honorary Fellow, London 2013
> BIPM Metrologia Highlight Articles, Paris 2016
> EGU Fridtjof Nansen Medal, Vienna 2018
> LS Daniel Ernst Jablonski Medal, Berlin 2021
> IAPWS Gibbs Award, Boulder, Co., 2024
>
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Note: New Email Address:rainer.feistel at iow.de
Dr. rer. nat. habil. Rainer Feistel
Physicist (emeritus)
PS Gustav Hertz Prize, Berlin 1981
CITAC Best Paper Award, Paris 2011
IAPWS Honorary Fellow, London 2013
BIPM Metrologia Highlight Articles, Paris 2016
EGU Fridtjof Nansen Medal, Vienna 2018
LS Daniel Ernst Jablonski Medal, Berlin 2021
IAPWS Gibbs Award, Boulder, Co., 2024
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