[Fis] Fwd: What is Art?

Sun Feb 8 06:44:44 CET 2026

Dear Csàji,

I thank you for what you reported in your message of February 7, 2026:
"Francesco Rizzo's emotion, rational perspective ("neither faith nor
science are mediated by consciousness"), New Economy of Existence and
Knowledge," but I'd like to correct the meaning of the words inside the
curved brackets. On January 30, 2026, at 7:06 AM, I wrote:

Therefore, without love there is neither science nor faith; both are
combined by con-science.

You, however, translated/interpreted it incorrectly:

("neither faith nor science is mediated by consciousness")

This doesn't correspond to my thinking. Anyway, thank you for your
contribution.

Francesco.

Caro Csàji,

ti ringrazio per quanto hai riportato nel messaggio del 7 febbraio
2026: «l'emozione
di Francesco Rizzo prospettiva razionale ("né la fede né la scienza sono
mediate dalla coscienza"), Nuova Economia dell'Esistenza e della
Conoscenza», ma mi permetto di correggere il significato delle parole che
stanno dentro le parentesi curve. Io, il 30 gennaio 2026, ore 07.06, ho
scritto:

Therefore, without love there is neither science nor faith; both are
combined by con-science = Quindi senza amore non v’ha né scienza né fede,
l’una e l’altra sono com-binate dalla co-scienza.

Tu, invece, l’hai tradotto-interpretato in modo non corretto:

("neither faith nor science is mediated by consciousness") = ("né la
fede né la scienza sono mediate dalla coscienza")

Questo non corrisponde al mio pensiero. Comunque, grazie per il Tuo contributo.

Francesco.

Il giorno sab 7 feb 2026 alle ore 16:27 Csáji László Koppány <
csaji.koppany en gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Dear All FiS Colleagues,
> I started the kick-off text nearly a month ago, and I would like to write
> some concluding words.
> First of all, it was a great advanture, a challenging travel through time
> and space together, and
> certainly a great brainstorming oscillating around a question that might
> never be "answered".
> Is art a human phenomenon? What is art? What is the connection between art
> and consciousness?
> ...consciousness and emotion? etc. Questions arose as we moved our torch's
> light towards the
> problematics of life and love itself. The cellular memory and instinctual
> responses, general
> information theory, animal creativity and creative beauty, the attentional
> angines and the notion
> of impact were all fundamental contributions where we all got something
> from this conversation,
> at least I hope so.
> Krassimir Markovs extellent argumentation according to General Information
> Theory, Kate Kauffmann's
> wonderful AI-generated picture which can be a starting point for visual
> development, and also the
> thinking on cellular level, the physical sensory stimulus, JohnTorday's
> several inspiring thoughts
> on the role of Area of Broca and other neuroscientific approaches,
> Francesco Rizzo's emo-
> rational perspective ("neither faith nor science is mediated by
> consciousness"), New Economy
> of Existance and Knowledge, Pedro Marijuán's many contributions on love,
> rationality, and
> the balancing between science and philosophy, such as love and the genesis
> of art, Mark Willam
> Johnson's and Lou Kauffman's short essays, William Miller's letters on the
> fundaments, and
> at the core - as Pedro said - both transcendence of art and aesthetics
> linked to the bottom
> and the top of existence. I could extend the list with Marcus Abundis,
> Gordana Dodig Crkovic,
> Joe Brenner, Jarry and Daniel, etc, and of course, Paul Sunni's
> revolutionary thinking that
> was aimed to wake us up. Thank you for all! It was a great time to read
> all that and I am sure
> I learnt much from you. What do you think, could we develop papers from
> your contribution
> to a book? I am a head of the Research Institute of Art Theory and
> Methodology, in
> collaboration with the international network of L'Harmattan Publishing
> House, we  have just
> started a new series titled "Art & Theory". We would gladly host that
> issue... What is your
> opinion, would you submit your thoughts developped to scholarly papers?
> Hmmm? ;-)
>
> Best for all, with love,
>                                        Laszlo
>
> Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo en gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2026.
> jan. 22., Cs, 7:20):
>
>> Dear László,
>>
>> emo-rationality and critical-discerning consciousness or
>> super-consciousness serve to: -architect or un-discover the economy of the
>> world or the world of the economy of living beings, humans and animals (at
>> least for now, excluding plants, although they are subjects of
>> phyto-sociology); -conserve-enhance and not pollute the inorganic world;
>> -conceive an economic Theo-human-ology or theo-human-logical economy. God
>> became human so that human beings could become God [Aracne, Rome, 2024].
>>
>> Your “human spark” is a beautiful and valuable invention. Thank you.
>>
>> Francesco.
>>
>> Caro László,
>>
>> emo-ra-zionalità e coscienza o super-coscienza critico-discernente
>> servono a: -architettare o s-coprire l’*economia del mondo* o il *mondo
>> dell’economia* degli esseri viventi umani e animali (almeno per ora
>> vegetali esclusi, sebbene siano soggetti di fito-sociologia);
>> conservare-valorizzare e non inquinare il mondo inorganico; -concepire una *Teo-umano-logia
>> economica o economia teo-umano-logica. Dio sìè fatto umano affinché
>> l’essere umano possa diventare Dio* [Aracne, Roma, 2024].
>>
>> La tua “scintilla umana” è una bella e pregevole invenzione. Grazie.
>>
>> Francesco.
>>
>> Il giorno mer 21 gen 2026 alle ore 01:17 Csáji László Koppány <
>> csaji.koppany en gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Dear John, Marcus, Louis, Eric, Mark, and all FiS colleagues,
>>> We have witnessed excellent argumentations that were both inspiring and
>>> thought provking. I am grateful to participate.
>>> I circulate around an easy question after all these considerations: how
>>> the cellars' cognitive functions, self-cognition, and consciousness relate
>>> to each other, and how "emotion" as a factor links to them. Theoretically,
>>> all living creatures differ from crystals, stones, fluid, or aeriform
>>> materials by having a kind of "decision-making"--an ability of "willing"
>>> that gives them a "plus".
>>> Nevertheless, this ability is not an art form; it is just a differentia
>>> specifica between living ones and those that exist without a
>>> decision-making gift (capability). Art seems to be a step further, which
>>> elevates the material environment to a level that could be called
>>> "super-consciousness", or something like that. Super-consciousness empowers
>>> us not only to shape the world but to imagine it in another way, and create
>>> "new realities"--in a way that would not be possible physically.
>>> This kind of imagination--that exceeds the animals' "rationality"
>>> (causability?), creativity, and communicative acts...
>>> Can we specify--and how can we?--such a "plus" (I called it a "human
>>> spark" in my initial paper), or is this evolutionary thesis just a delusion?
>>> Cheers,
>>>                László
>>>
>>> Mark Johnson <johnsonmwj1 en gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2026. jan. 19.,
>>> H, 10:05):
>>>
>>>> Yes! Thank you Joe!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 at 08:33, <joe.brenner en bluewin.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear John,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have not talked to each other recently, but I follow your work with
>>>>> interest and wanted to applaud the last three lines of your 19.1 note: ... "the
>>>>> 'logic' of the Cosmos. Symbiogenesis is the mechanism by which life has
>>>>> acquired the logic of the Cosmos. In other words there is a continuum from
>>>>> the foundations of the Cosmos to life that is expressed in art."
>>>>>
>>>>> The image it evoked was that of my sculptor father, Michael Brenner,
>>>>> making a bust of me at age 10 in his studio in New York. He danced around
>>>>> his easel in a frenzy *(frénésie) *, chopping away at the emerging
>>>>> marble head, sweating and grunting. Art comes more easily to many, but I
>>>>> suggest that its becoming is always partly unconscious, an expression of
>>>>> the energetic foundations of existence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> ------but ---- Message d'origine ----------
>>>>> De : JOHN TORDAY <jtorday en ucla.edu>
>>>>> À : fis <fis en listas.unizar.es>
>>>>> Date : 17.01.2026 22:58 CET
>>>>> Sujet : [Fis] What is Art?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear FIS, I am of the opinion that art is an expression of
>>>>> consciousness, raising the question Art as to what consciousness is? I fell
>>>>> down this 'rabbit hole' twenty years ago, having performed a series of
>>>>> experiments to understand how and why Parathyroid Hormone-related Protein
>>>>> (PTHrP) is necessary for the formation of alveoli in the lung (Rubin
>>>>> LP, Kovacs CS, De Paepe ME, Tsai SW, Torday JS, Kronenberg HM. Arrested
>>>>> pulmonary alveolar cytodifferentiation and defective surfactant synthesis
>>>>> in mice missing the gene for parathyroid hormone-related protein. Dev Dyn.
>>>>> 2004 Jun;230(2):278-89)? The duplication of the PTHrP Receptor gene during
>>>>> the water-land transition amplified all of the vertebrate physiologic
>>>>> adaptations to land- lungs, kidneys, skeleton, skin- and since PTHrP is a
>>>>> stretch-sensitive gene, I tested the hypothesis that PTHrP mediated the
>>>>> vertebrate adaptation to the force of gravity. If cells are exposed to zero
>>>>> gravity they lose their differentiated phenotypes (i.e. they devolve), and
>>>>> when yeast are exposed to zero gravity they cannot conduct a calcium flux,
>>>>> meaning that they are unconscious. Moreover, human consciousness has been
>>>>> driven by bipedalism (Torday JS. A central theory of biology. Med
>>>>> Hypotheses. 2015 Jul;85(1):49-57), freeing our forelimbs for tool
>>>>> making, including language as a tool, and locomotion. Importantly, both
>>>>> language and locomotion are under control by the FoxP2 gene, so that
>>>>> positive selection pressure for FoxP2 would have coordinately stimulated
>>>>> language and locomotion, expressed through our hands and minds as art of
>>>>> all kinds- literature, painting, sculpture, music- in other words, art is a
>>>>> manifestation of our need to communicate with our environment and with
>>>>> other humans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Furthermore, all of the above is due to the evolution of homeostatic
>>>>> control of energy due to Symbiogenesis (Sagan, 1967), or the assimilation
>>>>> of factors in the environment that threaten homeostasis, including the
>>>>> elements in the Cosmos, the latter being an exaptation (Gould and Vrba,
>>>>> 1982) of Stellar Nucleosynthesis (Hoyle, 1946), or the serial chemical
>>>>> reaction of hydrogen and helium to form the stars, the elements being their
>>>>> byproducts in the exact order of their atomic masses as thec
>>>>> Your comments and criticisms are welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best, John
>>>>>
>>>>>
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