[Fis] AI is going to be wildly more devastating than any recent technology [ ??? ]

Fri Apr 24 20:43:34 CEST 2026

I am afraid, John, that those who work with distributed intelligence, e.g.
the agent swarm folks which can replicate identical self-improving
intelligences, like multiple instances of the MIT's Hermes bot. may argue
that they have created non-local consciousness. There will be no distinct
border between human and non-human intelligence in future. We must define
more distinct characteristics of human consciousness like e.g. what
some mystics understand as the quantum field of the soul, which is said to
continue its existence after death in some way., maybe not so personified
after a while. This is something that AI agents certainly do not have. But
distributed crowds of identical agent instances operate non.locally even
today. This is my last comment on the topic because of the FIS limit.

best,

Plamen

On Fri, Apr 24, 2026 at 7:29 PM JOHN TORDAY <jtorday at ucla.edu> wrote:

> Dear Pedro et al., as I see it, our consciousness is embedded in our
> physiology, as I shared with FIS a while back. In that vein, AI can account
> for local consciousness, but not for non-local consciousness, the latter
> being executed by the 'observer' as our connection with the Cosmos. But, if
> AI can be made to appear complex, the end-users may think that it's
> accounting for non-local consciousness....which puts non-local
> consciousness as our 'birthright' at risk. Please feel free to comment...
>
> Best, John
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 4:48 PM Pedro C. Marijuán <
> pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> We have barely talked on the big topic of our times. I am just resending
>> some brief sentences that indeed depict a Brave, Brave New World (courtesy
>> from Malcolm Dean).
>> Best regards to all,
>> --Pedro
>>
>> -------- Mensaje reenviado -------
>> *AI is something which is going to be wildly more devastating than any of
>> the consequences of the mismanaged technologies of the last 15 years. and*
>> *the consequences will crash land on societies all over the world. We are
>> not prepared for these things at all economically, society,
>> geopolitically, environmentally.*
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dexhuntertorricke.com/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TZ2TupoIyppHMVXeZEH3DohjpdamNuNWhqho7rGY6ege2GhiX2oeAJUCeEZivj6IwflPYpZas-nLAzWN6Xy3QgIbiv1w$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dexhuntertorricke.com/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka45AxZ-u3$>
>> *Dex Hunter-Torricke*
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.centerfortomorrow.com/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TZ2TupoIyppHMVXeZEH3DohjpdamNuNWhqho7rGY6ege2GhiX2oeAJUCeEZivj6IwflPYpZas-nLAzWN6Xy3Qt088pCy$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.centerfortomorrow.com/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka4353-Sqh$>
>> *Center for Tomorrow*
>> THE NEXT DECADE IS THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL MOMENT IN HISTORY
>> WE ARE NOT PREPARED
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkPkzhsx_fI__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TZ2TupoIyppHMVXeZEH3DohjpdamNuNWhqho7rGY6ege2GhiX2oeAJUCeEZivj6IwflPYpZas-nLAzWN6Xy3QqUiUrM4$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkPkzhsx_fI__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka48G-Zl93$>
>> Trevor Noah, 19 April 2026   (excerpt)
>>              [ 5:52 ]
>>
>> *The End of Work: Why your kids won't have careers in 15 years *
>> Forget simple automation. *Dex Hunter-Torrick* warns of a near-future
>> where AI doesn't just change jobs, it destroys the prospect of a dignified
>> life for millions. While 12 billionaires hoard more wealth than half the
>> planet, the rest of society is heading toward a "crash landing." We have a
>> narrow window to fix this.
>>
>> --
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TZ2TupoIyppHMVXeZEH3DohjpdamNuNWhqho7rGY6ege2GhiX2oeAJUCeEZivj6IwflPYpZas-nLAzWN6Xy3QpOT2SXX$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka49EOR_lG$>
>> Trevor Noah, 9 April 2026
>>                     [ 1:13:39 ]
>> *Dex Hunter-Torricke: Translating the Titans of Tech*
>>
>> In this episode, Trevor sits down with author and strategist *Dex
>> Hunter-Torricke*, who has spent years behind the scenes with some of the
>> most powerful people in tech, including Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk and Eric
>> Schmidt, and has seen influence move from institutions into the hands of a
>> few companies and the people running them. Together, they explore what
>> that shift feels like from the inside, how much power is concentrated at
>> the top, accountability and the lack of it, and what it means when the
>> people shaping the future are also writing the rules as they go.
>> 00:00:00
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka49EOR_lG$>
>> - The Trial That Changed Everything 00:00:58
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=58s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka49NhHxXb$>
>> - The Name With a Secret Origin 00:02:12
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=132s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka45PmY-pp$>
>> - Tech Giants and the Dutch East India Company 00:04:29
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=269s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka45HlzJJA$>
>> - Growing Up the Only Brown Kid in Town 00:07:37
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=457s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka4yp468Rp$>
>> - Why the UN Doesn't Actually Work 00:11:13
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=673s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka46ua6ScF$>
>> - Why He Studied Russia Before It Was Cool 00:12:53
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=773s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka40BhT6Rx$>
>> - Was Russia Always the Villain 00:19:33
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=1173s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka4xBpwB6V$>
>> - Tech in 2010 Was Still Kind of Punk 00:23:23
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=1403s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka468Rv2Es$>
>> - Wait You're In That Book 00:32:34
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=1954s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka49Uxe6I7$>
>> - The Refugee Photo That Changed Everything 00:40:08
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=2408s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka4wCnQUA8$>
>> - The Algorithm Is a Choice 00:41:55
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=2515s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka43gtBgwZ$>
>> - They Weren't Evil Just Apathetic and That's Worse 00:49:16
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=2956s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka4wmmRrCN$>
>> - Then He Went to Work for Elon 00:58:47
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=3527s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka40OOW6uK$>
>> - From Space Dreams to War Machines 00:59:10
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ic4siIeiM&t=3550s__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyTKCk-xExTEWgtfvmGsmJZr8nvJ1UJx8Vq9yCjU0aeKgfgrKX0Q3Rz83RRlrq9_U_MUMGImudHXBPb8ZAka4yqhO4xY$>
>> - *The AI Reckoning Nobody Is Ready For*
>> ..
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