[Fis] Let's go beyond shock and sadness - Invitation to GRTD Project

[Jason Hu]

Dear Gordana, thanks for your thought. Of course! But working on a larger
archive is much more work than our personal GRTD, so it will depend on what
kind of resources can be mobilized to go for it. I'm copying this to Peter
Tudenham, who has been involved with the archive work of ISSS/ASC in my
memory. Actually, a while ago I asked FIS members about "what are the most
important 20% of content of Informatics that we can include in the
development of the SCI-101 online course," a number of friends here
suggested some keywords/key phrases/key ideas. That is for the ongoing
Oxford Project, which involves developing a core textbook plus a SCI-GPT
robot coach/teacher of SIC basics (SCI: Systemics-Cybernetics-Informatics
trinity in one course).
Please let me know if any of you would like to join these two projects.
Best regards, Jason

On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 9:37 AM Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic <
gordana.dodig-crnkovic at mdu.se> wrote:

> Dear Jason,
>
>
>
> Thank you for sharing this and for honoring Karl. I appreciate the spirit
> of the project.
>
> One of the candidates for the publication project may be the FIS list
> itself, which archives deserve to be popularized and remembered.
>
> It is a treasure trove of ideas worth to revisit.
>
> Do you think your proposal for saving the best ideas could be applied to
> the FIS list?
>
> The FIS archives are great, but they are not widely known or easily
> accessible.
>
> Their content deserves to be better known to broader audiences, I believe.
>
> I also assume that the tools you mention may be useful for those of us
> preparing books based on our existing publications.
>
> All the best,
>
> Gordana
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Jason Hu <
> jasonthegoodman at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, 26 October 2025 at 18:59
> *To: *"fis at listas.unizar.es" <fis at listas.unizar.es>
> *Cc: *Katherine Peil <ktpeil at outlook.com>, Leo Knuth <leefuxiang at gmail.com
> >
> *Subject: *[Fis] Let's go beyond shock and sadness - Invitation to GRTD
> Project
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear FIS friends,
>
> We are all thinkers here. As our wisdom grows, our aging process also
> develops. The sudden loss of our friend Karl prompt me to forward you the
> following Call for Discussants on Project Get-Ready-To-Die, previously
> spread in the Club of Remy. So far we have had two sessions recorded, and
> this effort will continue. I hope you can give it serious consideration:
>
> ---
>
> Call for Discussants - Project Get-Ready-To-Die:
>
>
>
> During the Covid-19 challenging time, I had discussed a joking but serious
> project with Stuart Umpleby - how do we prepare for death, or how to
> organize our legacy well before "the close" arrives?
>
>
>
> Since the Club of Remy started on February 14, 2020, we have had many
> interesting discussions around a wide range of "important & urgent" topics.
> (348 videos and 467 subscribers in our YouTube channel so far.)
> Unfortunately, during these past years, two of our very active members have
> passed away: our beloved Professors Klaus Krippendorff (1932-2022) and Loet
> Leydesdorff (1948-2023), both of whom left wonderful insights and wisdom
> through our meetings.
>
>
>
> In an earlier period, when my training/consulting company, WINTOP Group,
> was operating inside China, Professor Russell Ackoff (1919-2009), who was
> our advisor, also left us. A bit more fortunate in his case, we translated
> one of his books into Chinese, "Ackoff's Best" (English: Wiley & Sons,
> 1999; Chinese: Shanghai Sanlian, 2007). He was overjoyed when we presented
> the Chinese book to him in his office, piled high with books, in
> Philadelphia, two years before he passed away.
>
>
>
> These incidents led me to the idea that it would be nicer if both Klaus
> and Loet could have compiled their own "Klaus' Best" and "Loet's Best"
> collections of writings before they passed away. During the daunting
> COVID-19 pandemic in 2020-2021, I asked myself the question, "What would be
> included in my 'Hu's Best' collection?" The departure of Klaus and Loet
> later confirmed to me the importance of this question for all thinkers, so
> it has become more and more serious.
>
>
>
> So now, this is a formal Call for Participation/Call for Discussants,  for
> "Project Get-Ready-To-Die" - it does not mean that we will die sooner, it
> just means that getting ready is better than being unprepared. The goal of
> the project is straightforward:
>
>
>
> 1- Going through all your writings so far, published or non-published, and
> select a total of 300 pages (well, for more talkative colleagues, 400 pages
> is negotiable), and assemble them into an eBook named "X's Best" - X is
> your name - using "Ackoff's Best" as a template;
>
>
>
> 2- From these 300 pages of your insights, choose 54 of your most brilliant
> quotes to be printed on a set of poker decks, so in the future they can be
> sold at a souvenir shop named "The Earthings' Wisdom" on Mars or even other
> planets.
>
>
>
> 3- Back on Earth here, somewhere in the future, you might have a tomb if
> you choose to have a tome, then there will be a tombstone. So, among those
> 54 of your important quotes, which one would you like to be carved on that
> tombstone? It is better that you choose it yourself instead of letting
> another individual decide for you.
>
>
>
> That is it, 1, 2, 3, you're ready! Of course, you can continue to modify
> and update until the day you decide or are forced to give up. To summarize,
> use this number as a memory tag: 300-54-1. It means your most important 300
> pages, your 54 quotes, and the one tombstone carving that you prefer.
>
>
>
> Now the real good news: Our new member of the Oxford Project, Leo Knuth,
> an IT guru and AI activist living in China, co-founder of AI-assisted
> thought-organizing platform Dessix.io, is willing to help the participants
> of this project with easy-to-use tools. Thank you, Leo! Now the
> sounds-difficult task of the above 1-2-3 becomes much easier. That's the
> point of this Call for Participants. If you are in, please send me an email
> with your questions to Leo about how to organize your chaotic hard drive
> folders into this 300-page document with 54 quotes and one stone carving,
> and your readiness to hand over your legacy to the new generation of
> Earthlings and future Marcians.
>
>
>
> Best regards - Jason
>
>
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>
> Jason Jixuan Hu, Ph.D.
>
> Independent Research Scholar
>
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>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 10:24 AM Katherine Peil <ktpeil at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I am shocked and saddened to hear that we have lost the wonderful Karl.
> May we honor him by understanding and applying what he has given us. I had
> hoped for more in-depth communication and interaction to get there myself,
> but if his job here is done, the ball is in our court. Feel free to contact
> me with any insights you may have gained that can illuminate
> the “computational” paradigm. To my mind, he was describing something akin
> to the NAND logic gate, and it was a quite profound missing piece.
>
> With reverent gratitude and a bit of heartbreak,
>
> Kate Kauffman
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/26/25, 5:00 AM, "Fis" <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> wrote:
> Katherine Peil Kauffman
>
>
>
> Send Fis mailing list submissions to
>         fis at listas.unizar.es
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>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Karl Javorszky passed away yesterday (Francesco Rizzo)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 06:49:06 +0100
> From: Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>
> To: Pedro C. Mariju?n <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com>
> Cc: fis at listas.unizar.es
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Karl Javorszky passed away yesterday
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> Dear Pedro and all
> I too join in the embrace, using an economy whose capital is prayer:
> Lord, mercy,
> forgiveness and mercy, may your will be done.
>
> Francis
>
>
> > Dear FIS Colleagues,
> >
> > Thanks, Krassimir. It is very sad news indeed. Karl was a very dear
> > acquaintance of mine.
> > He came to visit me in Zaragoza as early as in 1994. We had invited him
> to
> > deliver a Seminar on his new approach to biology via his original number
> > theory.
> > Afterwards we cooperated a couple of years within a small group (Jose
> > Pastor & Morris Villarroel) in the development of his multidimensional
> > partitions stuff--a fascinating topic which unfortunately we could not
> > continue and has remained out from focus.  He presented further
> > elaborations in successive FIS Conferences and mostly in our discussion
> > list where we all have read and enjoyed his curious and eloquent prose.
> > Karl was a charming man, discrete, polite and perhaps rather elusive
> > --except concerning his loved Sumerian / Akkadian counting systems and
> the
> > way Nature computes her cyclicity.
> > Quite probably what Karl would have preferred is an obituary commenting
> on
> > his work... Annette has suggested me that the people who has had a more
> > direct connection with him prepare a short report on that.
> > It is a very good idea.
> >
> > Dear Karl, a strong hug!
> > --Pedro
> >
> >
> > El 25/10/2025 a las 15:13, Krassimir Markov escribi?:
> >
> > Dear FIS Colleagues,
> > It is with great sadness that I inform you that one of the most active
> > members of the FIS community, Karl Javorszky, passed away yesterday.
> > Sympathy and condolences to his relatives, friends and loved ones.
> > A very original thinker has passed away, who drew attention to patterns
> > that have escaped our attention.
> > Rest in peace, Karl!
> > With respect,
> > Krassimir
>
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