[Fis] John Tordayn and Thomas Goernitz

[Prof. Dr. Thomas Görnitz]

Dear Eric, John, Lou, and FIS,

Unfortunately, I have been very busy over the past weeks.

We are currently in Bad Griesbach, and although the warm water and
treatments are important for fitness, they also take up a lot of time.

In addition, I had to finish a text on cosmology.

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https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.researchgate.net/publication/392264273_Contributions_of_quantum_theory_to_cosmology_Questions_and_answers?channel=doi&linkId=683b24e7c33afe388ac9483c&showFulltext=true*fullTextFileContent__;Iw!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VOx-IRCFIRbzo98OgGq6QtQE_I9WRM32ka-DNrvtqvm1If8snN3p-7a8aoS6VHS9L--7KjCvbVGamkPhQCJJtPL5UWkiag$ 
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The article on consciousness can be found at BIOSYSTEMS

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https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303264725000772?__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VOx-IRCFIRbzo98OgGq6QtQE_I9WRM32ka-DNrvtqvm1If8snN3p-7a8aoS6VHS9L--7KjCvbVGamkPhQCJJtPLZOmBcWQ$ 
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For now, I wish everyone a pleasant weekend.
Next week more.
All the best
Thomas


Quoting Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org>:

> Dear Thomas and John,
>
> Sorry this email somehow passed my notice. Have been a bit busy.
> But here is the link to Thomas that you requested.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
>> On May 5, 2025, at 5:13 PM, JOHN TORDAY <jtorday at ucla.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Eric, thanks for the return mail. I would be interested in Prof.
>> Goernit's 'take' on consciousness.Pablo's already got me paired
>> with a molecular biologist. Please link Tom and me....thank you.
>> Nothing ventured....
>>
>> Best, John
>>
>> John S. Torday
>> Professor of Pediatrics
>> Obstetrics and Gynecology
>> Evolutionary Medicine
>> UCLA
>>
>> Fellow, The European Academy of Science and Arts
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 10:58 AM Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org
>> <mailto:eric.werner at oarf.org>> wrote:
>>> Dear John,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update. The debate on consciousness might benefit
>>> by including Thomas Goernitz who has a whole theory of
>>> consciousness and its relation to quantum mechanics. He is
>>> interested in a debate, but is a bit worried that his English is
>>> not good enough for a live talking debate. However, fis would be
>>> good. Shall I link you up? He is an excellent mathematical
>>> physicist.
>>>
>>> As for the Oxford debates, as far as I know they are not public
>>> yet. But hopefully soon if people like you show an interest.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/5/25 1:00 PM, JOHN TORDAY wrote:
>>>> Dear Eric, you had commented on my invoking gravity as the
>>>> 'driver' of evolution. It's essential that that be thought of not
>>>> as a 'one-to-one' other than the effect of microgravity on bone
>>>> causing osteoporosis in astronauts. That is to say that it's the
>>>> effect of gravity on development and evolution as the organism
>>>> 're-forms' or 'forms', respectively that's where the role of
>>>> gravity can be seen from my experience with it empirically.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to address your comments and those of Jerry Chandler in
>>>> the Q&A after Levin and Miller's presentations at fis. I got the
>>>> sense that both you and Jerry were getting at the lack of
>>>> 'ontology and epistemology' in both cases, referring to the
>>>> 'bottom' and 'top', and I totally agree with that. Bill and I
>>>> used to collaborate, but when I started musing about what came
>>>> before the cell he was not interested, satisfied with stipulating
>>>> that the unicell is conscious, whereas I remain of the opinion
>>>> that you have to ask causal questions if you are going to get
>>>> down to ultimate causation. in that vein, I will be talking at
>>>> fis later this month about my idea that consciousness is derived
>>>> from the interrelationship between Stellar Evolution (Fred Hoyle
>>>> et al), the formation of the Elements as a by-product of star
>>>> formation as the 'logic' of the Cosmos, and Symbiogenesis, Lynn
>>>> Sagan's concept of the assimilation of bacteria to form
>>>> mitochondria, the latter causing the endogenization of
>>>> environmental factors to maintain homeostasis. I hope you will be
>>>> in attendance so you can hear my position, which is holistic, the
>>>> touchstone of my take on consciousness.....btw, you mentioned
>>>> those seminars you held at Oxford and that they were
>>>> recorded....can I access them?
>>>>
>>>> Best, John
>>>>
>>>> John S. Torday
>>>> Professor of Pediatrics
>>>> Obstetrics and Gynecology
>>>> Evolutionary Medicine
>>>> UCLA
>>>>
>>>> Fellow, The European Academy of Science and Arts
>>> --
>>> Dr. Eric Werner, FLS
>>> Oxford Advanced Research Foundation
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>>>
>>>


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