[Fis] [EXTERNAL] Re: Emotional Contagion? -The Irreality of materialism

[Jason Hu]

Hi Daniel and Howard,
I can be "informed," but I don't have to interpret that... e.g., I heard my
dog is barking... so be it, I don't have to interpret what that means, but
it is still a piece of information.
Why not go back to the very root of the word "form"? A "form" is an output
of our cognitive system, an "I-see" or an "Ah-ha!" Something caused me to
form that "form" in my mind - "a difference that makes a difference." So
I'm "informed." So information is the stuff that gets me informed...
therefore we call it Information.
Indeed the relationship of it with quantum physics and entropy are
secondary. For quantum physics, it "informed" the wave function to collapse
or set the fate of the cat. For entropy, a statistic measure, a status of
the "informed" status reduced uncertainty. But those effects of
"information", not cause. Would you agree or not?
Best - Jason

On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 12:16 AM Daniel Boyd <daniel.boyd at live.nl> wrote:

> Hi Howard
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> Picking up on your mail from last week, it seems that the key point is
> *definitions*.
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> I think it’s rather ironic that the word ‘information’ is itself
> uninformative, since it can be used in very different ways. If two people
> in a discussion are using the term under a different definition then a
> fruitful dialogue is unlikely. And there are many more than two options to
> choose from!
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> Certainly, there are uses of the word in which quantum physics and entropy
> are relevant, and such definitions appear to be the main topic of this
> thread.
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> You and I are using the word in a very different way: that which allows
> living organisms to behave responsively and adaptively and thus sustain
> their far from equilibrium states. A definition that lies in the conceptual
> vicinity of Pierce’s ‘pragmatic information’ and indeed has little or
> nothing to do with quantum physics or entropy. But one that necessitates
> more than most other definitions an acknowledgement of an immaterial aspect
> to reality.
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> In my opinion this is an equally valid use of the word, but one which
> presumably requires (and deserves) its own discussion thread. Perhaps you
> would like to kick off?
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> All the best
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> Daniel
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> *From:* Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com>
> *Sent:* 20 March 2025 04:24
> *To:* Louis Kauffman <loukau at gmail.com>; Stuart Kauffman <
> stukauffman at gmail.com>; Sudip Patra <spatra at jgu.edu.in>
> *Cc:* Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org>; 1 <ktpeil at outlook.com>; Peter
> Erdi <peter.erdi at kzoo.edu>; fis <fis at listas.unizar.es>;
> joe.brenner at bluewin.ch; Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <
> gordana.dodig-crnkovic at chalmers.se>; Daniel Boyd <daniel.boyd at live.nl>
> *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Fis] Emotional Contagion? -The Irreality
> of materialism
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> could i please repeat the definition of information in my book The God
> Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates:
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> information is anything a receiver can interpret
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> how do we know if a receiver has interpreted?  by the receiver's
> response.  unless it's an animal or a human and keeps that response to
> itself.
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> two things that are not useful in understanding information, in my
> opinion, are quantum physics and the entropy equation.
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> with warmth and oomph—howard
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> On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 10:30:07 PM EDT, Sudip Patra <
> spatra at jgu.edu.in> wrote:
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> Also, as it's emerging, in quantum-like cognition literature, there are
> analogies and subtle differences between quantum and cognitive processes.
> Both are non Boolean certainly.
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> But more general frameworks are required.
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> Regards Sudip
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