[Fis] Emotional Contagion?

[Eric Werner]

Dear Kate, Howard and All,

I have had highs in concerts and deep experiences with the Aborigines in 
the heart of Australia. These experiences seem to have little to do with 
each other.

The insight given to me by my experience in Australia evoked the thought 
"They are crazy over there". Where "over there" was European and 
American industrialized societies, their wrong path and lack of genuine 
meaning.

The insight given to me while blowing up balloons backstage at a Rolling 
Stones concert was, well,  seeing Mick Jagger from the back while he 
elicited the highs in his frontal audience. (My girlfriend and I didn't 
have tickets and tried to get in and lucked out being asked if we wanted 
to help backstage.) So I, the Ph.D. -logician-philosopher-computer AI 
scientist-developmental biologist-cancer theorist-(back at you 
Howard😉), worked for a time for Mick Jagger!

What is the point?: I learned more from my interaction with a 50,000 
year old mind in Australia than from all the science and even Mick 
Jagger! It was emotion but it was more. Certainly not material.

As for the Beethoven sequence (of creating, encoding, interpreting and 
executing the encoding, hearing the execution, encoding and 
experiencing}, has interesting relations to embryonic development. Such 
transformations are at the heart of development and communication.

-Eric

On 3/11/25 5:48 AM, Howard Bloom wrote:
> kate, your question about emotional contagion and what we can call 
> "the cloud effect" is a good one.
>
> about this statement, with which i deeply agree:
>
>     science is remiss if it fails to interrogate the nature and power
>     of “faith”, given our embodied capacities for anomalous or
>     “spiritual" experiences
>
>
> i'm an atheist.  when science first grabbed hold of my soul when i was 
> ten years old, its aspiration to me seemed to be omniscience.
>
> spiritual experiences are real.  they may not be manifestations of 
> god, especially to folks like me to whom there is no god. so what the 
> hell are they?  where do they come from? how did they evolve?  what do 
> they mean?  what do they tell us about the nature of the cosmos that 
> has birthed them?
>
> in my fieldwork in mass behavior, working with people like michael 
> jackson and prince for 20 years, i saw collective ecstasies, what emil 
> durkheim called "collective effervescence,"  ecstatic experiences at 
> work in audiences all over north america.
>
> in fact, one of the jobs of my entertainers was to reliably evoke 
> these transcendent experiences.  and in building the careers of people 
> like Prince, it was my job to help deliver these ecstasies.  they are 
> real.
>
> if science can't address the question of these experiences, it 
> abandons the aspiration to omniscience.  and it's not science.
>
> with warmth and oomph--howard
>
> On Monday, March 10, 2025 at 07:49:34 PM EDT, Katherine Peil 
> <ktpeil at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
> The discussion about “nothing" or “something" being exchanged between 
> speakers and listeners prompts this question: What about 
> the phenomenon of "emotional contagion”? Do Mike Levin’s 
> revelation about bioelectricity bear upon the concept of “subtle energy”?
> Also, science is remiss if it fails to interrogate the nature and 
> power of “faith”, given our embodied capacities for anomalous or 
> “spiritual" experiences. Pre-emptive pejoratives are not good science, 
> but they abound.
> Kate Kauffman
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