[Fis] What are the most important 20% of Informatics?

Mon Jun 23 02:51:11 CEST 2025

 Many thanks, Pedro. Much appreciated. Best, Bill 
    On Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 01:58:30 PM MST, Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com> wrote:  

  Dear Bill & Colleagues, 
  Thanks for the positive comment. In my view these points represent sort of milestones that have to be properly connected to explore the "camino real" of information. Say, from molecules to human thought, to social complexity. "Thinking molecules" continues to be a most astonishing and enigmatic issue. The biblio refs. are:   
  Pedro C. Marijuán & Jorge Navarro (2019): Ten Principles of Information Science, in Philosophy And Methodology Of Information: The Study Of Information In The Transdisciplinary Perspective (World Scientific Series In Information Studies. 2019. Mark Burgin and Gordana Dodig-crnkovic (Editors). DOI: 10.1142/9789813277526_0020  Also available in:https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332765195_Ten_Principles_of_Information_Science__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UTo2xbKrBJagiP83z7yVQ_hQOJn5N6lVeQBQ3vulzO3fHn7vvpaxyKke1mny2IebBHN2A2zYsA-LAIAqd1E$ 

  And a revision was made later on, preprint available in researchgate, DOI:10.13140/RG.2.2.14372.30088 which we published in a Chinese journal first, but I had no time to rewrite it and send to a western journal. 

INFORMATION PHILOSOPHY AND THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF INFORMATION SCIENCE: REVISITING “THE TEN PRINCIPLES.” Pedro C. Marijuán, Bi-Lin, and Jorge Navarro (2020). 

This revised version is far richer regarding bibliographic sources.

Thanks for your interest!

Best--Pedro

El 20/06/2025 a las 22:43, William Miller escribió:

 Pedro,  These are excellent. I'm interested in where you published these, or perhaps these principles are an amalgam of many of your prior publications?  Best and thanks,  Bill  
      On Friday, June 20, 2025 at 01:29:41 PM MST, Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com> wrote:  

     Thanks, Jason. Maybe my text below is not exactly what you demand, but I prepared it around 10 years ago and was published in an extended way later on. I have made very few changes afterwards, but I hope to develop it more properly (just those "20 pages" you mention) one of these years... Regards--Pedro

Ten Principles of Information Science

 1. Information is distinction on an adjacent difference. 

 2. Information processes consist in organized action upon differences collected onto structures, patterns, sequences, messages, or flows.

 3. Information flows are essential organizers of life self-production process – the life cycle – anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the accompanying energy flows.

 4.  Information/communication exchanges among adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organization at all scales.

 5. Phenomena of meaning, knowledge, and cognition (& intelligence) emerge via signaling systems & gene systems of living cells—fully developed via the action/perception cycle of central nervous systems.

 6. It is symbolic language what conveys the essential communication exchanges of human individuals—and constitutes the core of their "social nature."

 7. Human information can be transformed into efficient knowledge by following the "knowledge instinct", further disciplined and delimited by applying rigorous methodologies.

 8. Human cognitive limitations are partially overcome via "knowledge ecologies", where knowledge circulates and recombines socially in a continuous actualization that involves "creative destruction" of theories, practices, and disciplines.

 9. Narratives become encapsulated forms of “natural intelligence”, tailored to capture our collective attention and memory, and essential for the cohesion of social, political, and economic structures.

 10. Information science proposes a new, radical vision on how information and knowledge surround individual lives, with profound consequences for scientific-philosophical practice and for social governance.

   El 17/06/2025 a las 2:47, Jason Hu escribió:

      Dear FIS colleagues: 
  If your whole book of Informatics has 100 pages, what content would be the most important 20 pages (per 20:80 Law)? I'm asking this question to all of you since the Club of Remy is organizing a discussion to integrate Systemics-Cyberentics-Informatics sister fields into a unified trinity curriculum for the younger generation. Here is the original Call for Discussants. I wish some of you would be kind enough to provide your insights to answer the two questions raised in this call. You are also more than welcome to consider attending these discussions in our Zoom meetings later.  Best regards - Jason 
  Title:  It is time to wrap up cybernetics – and distill 20% of it for a new curriculum  Author: Jason Hu Outline:  
Two great cyberneticians in our Club of Remy have Rest-In-Peace:  Our beloved Professor Klaus Krippendorff and Professor Loet Leydesdorff. Our YouTube channel now has their “Playlist” of their contributions to our club.  A number of noted cyberneticians have reduced participation in the recent two years; the reasons might be aging, decline of health, and/or exhaustion of new insights from cybernetics per se. One of the used-to-be large cybernetics discussion forums, CYBCOM, initialized by me and Stuart Umpleby as a Listserv on an IBM mainframe more than 30 years ago, now has only one active user posting on it (not me).

Meanwhile, huge tides in R&D and applications, initiated in 1943 by the McCulloch-Pitts, are currently changing our world in a profound way. Some of my colleagues might not like it, since these new waves discarded the term “cybernetics” but use the word “AI,” even though they are deeply related, if not identical.

After studying (and working/practicing) in the field named “cybernetics” since 1979, through many mentors/advisors in those 47 years, I think it is time now that we wrap up what we call “cybernetics” and start a new field of human knowledge, SCI.” In a narrow definition, SCI stands for Systemics-Cybernetics-Informatics trinity. In a broader definition, it should also include and integrate Catastrophe Theory, Dissipative Theory, Synergetics, Chaos Theory, Complexity Science, and Evolution Theory (alas, a total of 9 names). All these names mentioned here have inner connections, but their ideas/models/insights are spread in many different books and papers that are severely siloed and confusing to young learners.

The Oxford Project, which started last September at the WOSC conference, is an effort to develop a “standard model” of SCI for a new generation of learners, with the assistance of currently available AI tools. This Call of Discussants to all members of CoR asking if you are with me to go forward this transition from “only cybernetics” to “SCI,” Yes or No?  

If yes, here are two questions to be discussed in this session: 1-What are the 20%  most important knowledge pieces (per 20:80 law) from “cybernetics” that we need to present in the SCI curriculum? 2- What will be our feasible approach to use current AI tools to make this new SCI curriculum/online course?

I shall post question #1 to “Systemics” colleagues (ISSS) and “Informatics” colleagues (FIS) to invite them into this Lego game (of redefining a new field of knowledge SCI in the format of an entry-level curriculum). ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok, and Perplexity will be invited too.

If you have some ideas about these two questions, please sign up for a good discussion.

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