[Fis] Concluding the session

Tue Jun 10 10:52:56 CEST 2025

Dear All,

I am surprised and not a little disappointed with this note as the conclusion of the session. I would have focused on the interactive exchange on topics independent of AI that developed involving, especially, Gordana, Bill, Loe, Thomas, John and your humble servant.

There is a place in this discussion group for the statistical approach of Krassimir, and there is also place for the "store of ideas", to use Eric's term, that have already just been offered. 

Breaking certainly with the usual practice, I for one would welcome the opportunity of a repetition in part of the session just finished, giving everyone the chance to say what emerged of real importance to him/her. 

The gravitational field, yes, setting the boundaries for the operation of information processes involving people as well as machines. I would say we are done with the "it" of the machine; are we done with "trust"?

Back to you, Pedro, with due respect,
Joe

> Le 10.06.2025 08:51 CEST, OARF <eric.werner at oarf.org> a écrit :
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> Dear All,
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> I too sometimes feel overwhelmed not only by the indiscriminate word salad produced by Ai, but even by the intense conversations we have on FIS.  I feel a bit guilty not having answered Louis’ for example and all the rest of your excellent comments.
>  
> But was busy working on an AI related paper and debugging my program with the help of AI. But to debug without the cloud, using AI locally on my laptop, I first had to set up a local LLM that had expertise in C++, OpenGL and Windows interface programming. That setup probably took more time than if I would just have debugged the program myself without AI. 
> And yet, I have to admit it was fun to do, and I learned more about how these AI models operate.  
>  
> I long for the days of no computers when I sat at my kitchen table (not a desk) and wrote long hand, with my ink filled pen, in my hardcover journal. I wrote  so slowly that at the end of writing the sentence I realized my idea was not quite right. And, so it went, idea to idea, but at my own slow pace.  Yet, even that, slow meandering pace, produced so much that I still have not had time to publish 95% of it. For my first publication I had our secretary type out a few photocopied pages of it. Now, I am thinking of using AI to OCR the rest, but thereby adding to the problem of too much to read. But at least human generated.  
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> Sorry more text to read, but I am quite sure many of you have a large store of written ideas that are yet to be offered to the public. 
>  
> Eric
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> P.S. I hereby affirm that the contents of this email was conscious human generated and not the product of a ‘thinking’ unconscious machine. 
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> > On Jun 9, 2025, at 10:14 PM, Krassimir Markov <itheaiss at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues,
> > First of all, I would like to apologize for my occasional participation, but I am very busy with organizational work, which I hope will decrease by the end of the month.
> > Regarding the cited article (Rebooting the Attention Machine), I think it would be interesting to recall an aphorism of the Bulgarian academician Azaria Polikarov. He said:
> > 
> > "The greatest invention of mankind is the radio with an off button!"
> > 
> > In an article that I published about ten years ago (2013), I noted the following:
> > 
> > In 1991, David A. Pendlebury of the Philadelphia-based Institute for Scientific Information had published the startling conclusion that
> > 55% of the papers published in journals covered by ISI's citation database did not receive a single citation in the 5 years after they were published [Hamilton, 1991].
> > In his further publication, Pendlebury gave more concrete data. He had written [Pendlebury, 1991]:
> > "The figures -- 47.4% un-cited for the sciences, 74.7% for the social sciences, and 98.0% for the arts and humanities -- are indeed correct.
> > These statistics represent every type of article that appears in journals indexed by the Institute for Scientific Information (ISI) in its Science Citation Index, Social Sciences Citation Index, and Arts & Humanities Citation Index. The journals' ISI indexes contain not only articles, reviews, and notes, but also meeting abstracts, editorials, obituaries, letters like this one, and other marginalia, which one might expect to be largely un-cited.
> > In 1984, about 27% of the items indexed in the Science Citation Index were such marginalia. The comparable figures for the social sciences and arts and humanities were 48% and 69%, respectively.
> > If one analyzes the data more narrowly and examines the extent of un-cited articles alone, the figures shrink, some more than others: 22.4% of 1984 science articles remained un-cited by the end of 1988, as did 48.0% of social sciences articles and 93.1% of articles in arts and humanities journals.
> > 
> > Now the situation is probably even more disappointing.
> > 
> > I will stop here. but we could discuss these problems more broadly in the fall.
> > 
> > With respect,
> > Krassimir
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