[Fis] [External] Re: "express matter and energy in terms of information"

[Stuart Kauffman]

One sense of “Latent information” is, I think, in the notion of the "Adjacent Possible”. We cannot deduce what is in the Adjacent Possible, but it is somehow “nearby” and shows up in the near simultaneity of many inventions. 

Mike with respect to your idea below, and synchronicity, Sudip Patra and I have a paper on line, and are revsing it now. The title is, “Human Cognition Surpasses the Tsireson Bound: Is Mind in Spacetime?”  The statistics for the surpassing of the bound is weak, p = .001, but how could it possibly be true? The Tsirelson bound is due to Continuity of Action, i.e. a finite speed of light in a background spacetime. Nonlocality is firmly established. So “locality” - ie spacetime, may not be fundamental. So Outside of spacetime is not yet ruled out. These phenomena need to be taken seriously. This may be your "latent space”.  I have my own odd ideas about it based on Heisenberg's interpretation of the quantum state as “potentia”. What is not in spacetime may be “potentia” i.e. the quantum vacuum. 

Stu

> On Feb 27, 2024, at 7:41 AM, Levin, Michael <michael.levin at allencenter.tufts.edu> wrote:
> 
>> 'latent information' exists: waiting to be *discovered* … waiting to
> be *invented* as new views,
> 
>     this is a very important and interesting point. I have been working 
> on a notion of this (Platonic?) space of potential inventions, ideas, 
> etc. as being under “positive pressure” in some sense - it is not 
> observed, but it *wants* to be observed, it's pushing outward. So can we 
> define a notion in which something is not directly observed (yet) but 
> does exert some kind of “influence” in the world before it is directly 
> embodied/perceived? Can Observers be influenced by things they haven’t 
> yet observed (but are putting themselves in a position to be able to 
> observe)?  Is it possible to formalize the idea of a subtle influence 
> from the denizens of the latent space - a kind of causality (akin to 
> that of synchronicity?) which is not normal physical causality but also 
> not nothing?  When can you trace a causal chain back to something that 
> *doesn’t* physically exist? do thoughts that haven’t been thought yet 
> contribute to the shape of an agent’s cognitive landscape? is that what 
> cognitive agents are - transducers (bridges) from the latent space to 
> the physical space, which collapse or amplify potentialities from that 
> space into our world?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
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> From "Marcus Abundis" <55mrcs at gmail.com>
> To "Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic" <gordana.dodig-crnkovic at mdu.se>
> Cc "fis" <fis at listas.unizar.es>
> Date 2/27/24, 9:17:09 AM
> Subject [External] Re: [Fis] "express matter and energy in terms of 
> information"
> 
>> A nice synopsis Gordana, thanks!
>> 
>> I would add (predictably) not ALL information is observed. For example, 
>> 'latent information' exists: waiting to be *discovered* in our many 
>> 'logical gaps', or waiting to be *invented* as new views, devices, and 
>> tools by humanity's very-few skilled individuals. Only when Truly 
>> Perfect Knowledge of the cosmos is achieved (if ever possible) can we 
>> say all information is observed.
>> 
>> Marcus
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