[Fis] emotions

[Francesco Rizzo]

Dear Konstantin,
I would like to make the following contribution: in my new economy it is
not necessary to separate humanitarian information and natural information,
since I adopt a single trans-information process based on the 3 surpluses
or thermodynamic, genetic and semiotic-hermeneutic information; that is, a
theory of value underlying a single piece of information, consisting in
giving or taking shape, measurable in bits of entropy (in natural-rational
information and in neg-entropy (in emotional-human communication). So
that the flow of information related to emotion, can give rise to what I
call emo-rationality. Thank you! Do I have to apologize for my (non)
simplicity?Francesco

Caro Konstantin,
desidero dare il seguente contributo: nella mia economia nuova non è
necessario separare l'informazione
umanitaria e l'informazione naturale, poiché adotto un unico processo di
tras-informazione basato sui 3
surplus o informazione termodinamica, genetica e  semiotico-ermeneutica;
cioè una teoria del valore sottesa
da un'unica informazione, consistente nel dare o nel  prendere forma,
misurabile in bit di entropia (nella
informazione natural-razionale e in neg-entropia (nella comu  nicazione
emozional-umana). Sicchè il flusso di
informazioni connesse all'emozione, può dar luogo a quella che io chiamo
emo-ra-zionalità.
Grazie! Dobbo scusarmi per la mia (non) sempicità?
Francesco


Il giorno mer 1 mar 2023 alle ore 09:11 konstantin lidin <
lidinkl en hotmail.com> ha scritto:

> the calculation of the amount of information contained in one human
> personality is based on the following considerations:
> the number of nitrogenous bases in a DNA molecule is 3.2 billion. Each
> base contains two bits of information. In total, the amount of information
> in one DNA molecule is about a gigabyte (10^9);
> all cells of the human body are different and, therefore, the information
> in each cell does not coincide with the information in other cells.
> Therefore, the amount of information in the body needs to be multiplied by
> the number of cells - about 10 ^ 14;
> the total is 10 ^ 23 bytes, that is, one hundred zettabytes. Even
> considering that 99% of cellular information is repeated, the amount of
> unique information in a living organism is zettabytes. It is the amount of
> information per unit of mass that is the fundamental difference between a
> living organism and an inanimate one.
>
> Our model can be useful for the study of intrapsychic processes.
> Unfortunately, the format of a short message does not allow us to fully
> describe all the results obtained over twenty-five years of development of
> this model.
> You are absolutely right; the human personality is complex enough that its
> individual fragments can experience different emotions at the same time. A
> person can simultaneously experience fear of a shark, tenderness and trust
> in it, sadness from his loneliness in the middle of an endless ocean, and
> so on.
>
> The role of hormones and neurotransmitters in the movement of information
> through the nervous system has not been sufficiently studied.  The
> processes occurring in the synaptic cleft are associated with the
> adaptation of the nervous system to the nature of the flow of information.
> The balance of neurotransmitters in the synaptic cleft corresponds to the
> characteristics of the information flow - for example, adrenaline promotes
> the passage of chaotic flows (emotion "fear"), and gamma-aminobutyric acid
> "adjusts" the nervous system to weak information flows (sadness).
> Rapid and strong changes in the balance of neurotransmitters correspond to
> "emotional storms", which is so characteristic of young poets...
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Roy Morrison <roy.morrison114 en yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* 01 March 2023 06:54
> *To:* fis en listas.unizar.es <fis en listas.unizar.es>; konstantin lidin <
> lidinkl en hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] emotions
>
>
> Konstantin
>
> I powerful and important take on emotions as experience of information
> flow.
>
> Really appreciate "In turn, we understand information as a structural
> aspect of the existence of matter, along with the inertial aspect
> (substance) and the dynamic aspect (energy). We believe that information is
> no less material than matter and energy. "
>
>  and
>
> "The total amount of information contained on all media in all libraries,
> archives and other repositories of mankind is about a zettabyte (10^23
> bits). About the same amount of information contains one human personality."
>
>     From my experience as a lunatic, ok as a neurotic, the complexity of
> emotion is complicated by issues of  what is conscious/ repressed/
> unconscious.
>
> Your model making distinctions between Order-Chaos and Weak flow- Intense
> Flow does not fully explain issues of unconscious roiling repression this
> is driven in part by hormonal emotional activation and repression. At the
> same time I recognize the common and shared emotional expression we share
> across species.
>
> Watching video of a fisherman who saved a great white shark trapped it
> nets. The shark keep returning to the fishman's small boat for days. Shark
> rolled on her? back next to his boat so he could spoke her belly to her
> great pleasure.Evolutionary we share  common emotional expression and the
> similar brain chemicals.
>
> Roy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 01:17:37 PM EST, konstantin lidin <
> lidinkl en hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear information ladies and gentlemen!
>
> There are two directions in the study of information. One, "humanitarian",
> explores information processes in living systems. The other ("physical")
> focuses on the study of information transitions into energy and other
> phenomena related to the structure of matter. The separation of these
> branches looks quite natural if we take into account the difference in the
> amount of information contained in the studied objects. The total amount of
> information contained on all media in all libraries, archives and other
> repositories of mankind is about a zettabyte (10^23 bits). About the same
> amount of information contains one human personality. At the same time, the
> most powerful information processes in non-living systems are limited to
> giga- and terabit scales. The difference of ten orders of magnitude cannot
> but cause fundamental differences in the methods and paradigms of these two
> spheres of knowledge.
>
> Recently, I have been saddened to observe the cessation of the dialogue
> between the two branches of information theory. "Humanitarians" and
> "physicists" increasingly ignore each other. It is unlikely that such
> trends will help the development of our ideas about the essence and
> properties of information. I sincerely hope that the gap will be overcome,
> including through my modest efforts.
>
>
> *EMOTIONS AS EXPERIENCE OF INFORMATION FLOW  *
>
> *Konstantin Lidin  *
>
>
>
>
>
> Emotions play a very significant role in all areas related to the human
> factor [1]. The problem, however, is that the existing theories of emotion
> seem to fit only within their own narrow field. Attempts to use each of the
> theories in other areas are sharply criticized [2, 3].
>
> Our idea is to define emotions as the experience of information flow
> characteristics. In turn, we understand information as a structural aspect
> of the existence of matter, along with the inertial aspect (substance) and
> the dynamic aspect (energy). We believe that information is no less
> material than matter and energy.
>
> Consider the flow of information through the human senses. Like any flow,
> this flow can be strong (intense, with a lot of information per unit time)
> or weak. It can also be ordered (laminar) or chaotic (turbulent).
>
> The high intensity of the flow corresponds to the emotions of the group
> "interest, enthusiasm, excitement". Low - to the emotions of the "sadness,
> despondency" group. The laminar flow of information corresponds to the
> emotions of the "conscience, guilt" group. Turbulent - "fear, anxiety."
>
>
>
>
>
> Axes "intensity" and "order" are orthogonal to each other and form the
> basis of the Cartesian two-dimensional space. Thus, we get a "space of
> emotions", in which everyone points to a certain emotion. For example, the
> diagonal vector between the "interest" and "fear" semiaxes corresponds to
> the emotions of the "anger, aggression" group, and the vector between the
> "fear" and "sadness" semiaxes corresponds to the emotions of the "anger,
> aggression" group. groups "disgust, contempt". Diagonally between the
> vectors "sadness" and "conscience, guilt" are the emotions of the group
> "shame", and between "conscience" and "interest" - the group of emotions
> "joy, pride".
>
> Of course, only a few areas of the emotional space have their own names in
> any language. Most of the emotions are either "nameless" or indicated
> allegorically, with the help of comparisons and metaphors.
>
> The center of the space of emotions is the state of indifference. In
> ancient Greek philosophy, this state was designated as "ataraxia", in
> Sanskrit it corresponds to the term "ahimsa", and in Chinese philosophy -
> the principle of "wu-wei".
>
> The farther from the center,  the more intense the emotions. For example,
> a weak form of the emotion "anger" is called "displeasure, irritation", and
> an extremely strong emotion from this group is called "rage, fury".
>
> The emotions of the left half-plane around the “sadness” half-axis slow
> down the processes in the body (they act asthenic). When experiencing
> sadness, breathing and pulse become slower and smaller, metabolism and
> energy production are inhibited at the cellular level, and so on. Unlimited
> growth of such processes can also become incompatible with life. In the
> same way, other groups of emotions have their own physiological limits on
> intensity.
>
> The bodily aspect of experiencing emotions allows you to associate them
> with the qualities of the images that a person perceives. The nervous
> system, and after it, the whole body is tuned to experience the information
> flow with certain parameters by changing the balance of neurotransmitters.
> For example, an increase in the concentration of dopamine and serotonin
> brings the nervous system into a state that is most effective for
> experiencing intense flows of information; adrenaline helps to experience
> chaotic flows of information, and so on.
>
> Sthenic emotions, having a stimulating effect on the body, contribute to
> an increase in visual acuity, especially color (since the cones in the
> retina are more mobile in their states than the rods). Other perceptions
> are heightened as well. As a result, a person in a sthenic state perceives
> the world as brighter, more colorful, dynamic, loud and resonant, saturated
> with intense smells and tastes.
>
> Accordingly, the emotions of the sthenic group (“interest” and those close
> to it) can be stimulated with the help of “hot” images with high
> brightness, colorfulness and dynamism. Voiced and loud sounds, intense
> smells and tastes, etc. are perceived as more interesting.
>
> On the contrary, the emotions of the asthenic group (“sadness” and around
> it) are stimulated by the perception of “cold” images - static, dull and
> gray. The "sounds of sadness" are quiet and muffled, the tastes and smells
> are faint and nuanced.
>
> Images corresponding to the emotions of the upper half-plane (“conscience,
> guilt” and those close to them) are distinguished by orderliness and
> harmony. In terms of visual mode, they rely on classic color chords, clear
> symmetry and balance. Their sound is rhythmic and harmonious. In the
> olfactory sense, natural combinations of taste and smell are used.
>
> The lower half-plane of the space of emotions corresponds to emotions of a
> chaotic type (“fear”, “anger”, “disgust” and those close to them). Such
> states correspond to colorful, disharmonious, arrhythmic, dissymmetric and
> dissonant images.
>
>
>
>
>
> The interpretation of emotions as parameters of the information flow makes
> it possible to build quantitative models for the analysis and synthesis of
> images in various fields. Our experience has shown the applicability of the
> information model of emotions in various areas of psychology, urban
> studies, architecture and design, economics, management, pedagogy, cultural
> studies, journalism, literary criticism, and so on [4]. We are currently
> working on using the information model of emotions in the field of
> human-computer interaction (artificial intelligence).
>
>
>
>
>
> *References  *
>
> 1. Emotion-oriented Systems (2011). Catherine Pelachaud (Ed.), London :
> Wiley
>
> 2. Scarantino, Andrea and Ronald de Sousa, “Emotion”, The Stanford
> Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2018 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.)
>
> 3. Handbook of emotions (2008). Michael Lewis, Jeanette M. Halivand-Jones
> and Lisa Feldman Barrett (Ed.).3-d edition. NY – London : The Guilford
> Press
>
> 4. Lidin K. et all (2017) Applying the theory of informational flows in
> urbanism for a practical experiment in architecture and land use. Revista
> Espacios, V. 39(1), 12-21
>
>
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