[Fis] What did the OpenAI answer ...

Tue Feb 21 08:15:34 CET 2023

"data, news, knowledge take on a value or meaning by virtue of the
information to which they give rise" - let's dwell on this text again: is
it possible to say that "extraction of meaning" is always an "action" - a
real process, for which free energy and time are necessarily spent?
this is the main postulate of Efim Liberman in the paradigm of biological
computation

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Вт, 21 февр. 2023 г. в 08:54, Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>:

> Dear Kassimir and Nikita,
> data, news, knowledge take on a value or meaning by virtue of the
> information to which they give rise. So without this information process
> that gives or causes things, ideas and living beings, including people, to
> take shape , does not occur what Karl Marx e. modestly too, we call the
> assumption of the form of value or the value of the form. "So to say that
> INFORMATION can take many FORMS" is a misleading pleonasm, because
> what takes a certain form cannot have-be an EDUCATIONAL action that gives
> SHAPE in itself. In this epistemological-onto-logical context INFORMATION
> is the law of the laws of both biology, physics, and economics, etc. Warm
> greetings and best wishes to All,
> Francesco
>
> Cari Kassimir e Nikita,
> dati, notizie, conoscenze assumono un valore o significato in virtù
> dell'informazione a cui danno luogo.
> Quindi senza questo processo di informazione che dà o fa prendere forma
> alle cose, alle idee e agli esseri
> viventi, comprese le persone, non si verifica quello che Karl Marx e.
> modestamente anch'io, chiamiamo
> assunzione della forma del valore o del valore della forma.  "Quindi dire
> che le INFORMAZIONI possono
> assumere molte FORME" è un pleonasma ingannevole, perché ciò che assume
> una certa forma non può
> avere-essere  in se stessa un'azione FORMATIVA che dà FORMA. In questo
> contesto epistemo-onto-logico
> l'INFORMAZIONE è la legge delle leggi sia della biologia, sia della
> fisica, sia dell'economia, etc.
> Un saluto affettuoso e augurale a Tutti.
> Francesco,
>
> .
>
> Il giorno mar 21 feb 2023 alle ore 05:51 Nikita Shklovskiy <
> nikitashk at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Great conversation!
>> I was very interested in the questions.
>> And the answers... We have a nursery rhyme:
>> "if you can guess
>> what will the parrot tell us?
>> That's what he'll say, I guess
>> that hammered a parrot."
>> It seems to me that "information" cannot be fully defined without
>> defining the reader. Just as in physical problems they forget about the
>> necessary "let's create initial conditions", so "information" does not
>> exist without the knowledge of which language system can interpret it,
>> extract meaning. These three concepts: "language", "text", "meaning" must
>> be defined together.
>> And then there is no problem with God - a System that owns a maximum of
>> language systems :)))
>>
>> Пн, 20 февр. 2023 г. в 21:25, Krassimir Markov <itheaiss at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>>> It was interesting to provide a little conversation with the OpenAi
>>> system via ChatGPT.
>>> It is given below. Maybe you have some comments.
>>> Friendly greetings,
>>> Krassimir
>>>
>>> Markov: What is "information"?
>>>
>>> OpenAI: Information is a term used to describe knowledge or data that
>>> has been collected, processed, and communicated. It is a measure of the
>>> amount of uncertainty that has been reduced by an event or message.
>>> Information can take many forms, including text, images, sounds, and
>>> numbers. It is often communicated through language or symbols, and can be
>>> stored and transmitted using a wide range of technologies, from books to
>>> computers to the internet.
>>>
>>> Information can be used to make decisions, solve problems, and gain
>>> understanding of the world around us. It is a critical resource in fields
>>> such as science, technology, business, and education. In many cases,
>>> information is considered a valuable commodity, and individuals or
>>> organizations may go to great lengths to acquire or protect it.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Markov: Why do we call knowledge or data "information" if we have good
>>> terms "knowledge" and "data"?
>>>
>>> OpenAI: While the terms "knowledge" and "data" are related to the
>>> concept of information, they are not exactly interchangeable. Knowledge
>>> typically refers to the understanding or awareness that someone has gained
>>> through learning or experience, while data refers to the raw facts and
>>> figures that are collected and analyzed.
>>>
>>> Information, on the other hand, can be seen as a combination of both
>>> knowledge and data. It is the result of processing and organizing raw data
>>> into a form that is meaningful and useful. Information can be thought of as
>>> data that has been put into context, providing insights, answers, or
>>> solutions to questions or problems.
>>>
>>> The term "information" has become widely used in modern times due to the
>>> proliferation of digital technologies and the rapid growth of data-driven
>>> industries such as information technology and data science. These fields
>>> rely heavily on the collection, processing, and analysis of large amounts
>>> of data to derive insights and make decisions. In this context, the term
>>> "information" has become a catch-all term for any kind of data that has
>>> been processed and transformed into a useful form.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Markov: Does this mean that "information" is a generalized term for
>>> "data" or not?
>>>
>>> Yes, in many cases, the term "information" is used as a generalized term
>>> for "data". However, as I mentioned earlier, the term "information"
>>> typically refers to data that has been processed and organized in a
>>> meaningful way. This means that while all information can be considered
>>> data, not all data can be considered information.
>>>
>>> Data refers to raw, unprocessed facts and figures, such as measurements,
>>> statistics, or observations. For example, a collection of temperature
>>> readings taken over time could be considered data. However, this data may
>>> not be very useful on its own without some context or interpretation.
>>>
>>> When the temperature data is organized into a chart or graph, and
>>> analyzed to identify trends or patterns, it becomes information. The
>>> information derived from the temperature data could be used to make
>>> decisions, such as when to turn on the heat or air conditioning, or to
>>> analyze climate patterns over time.
>>>
>>> So, while "information" can be used as a generalized term for "data", it
>>> often implies a level of organization, context, and meaning that goes
>>> beyond raw data.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Markov: Well, why do you think that "knowledge" is "information"?
>>>
>>> OpenAI: While "knowledge" and "information" are related concepts, they
>>> are not exactly the same thing. Knowledge refers to the understanding or
>>> awareness that someone has gained through learning or experience, while
>>> information refers to data that has been processed and organized in a
>>> meaningful way.
>>>
>>> However, it is true that knowledge can be seen as a type of information.
>>> Knowledge is often derived from information, and the two concepts are
>>> closely connected. In many cases, information is processed and interpreted
>>> by individuals or groups to gain knowledge, insights, or understanding of a
>>> particular topic or subject.
>>>
>>> For example, if someone reads a book about the history of Ancient Rome,
>>> the information contained in the book - such as dates, names, and events -
>>> could be seen as raw data. However, the act of reading and interpreting the
>>> information in the book allows the reader to gain knowledge about Ancient
>>> Rome, such as its culture, politics, and social structures.
>>>
>>> So, while knowledge is not exactly the same as information, it is
>>> closely related and can be seen as a type of information that has been
>>> processed and interpreted by individuals or groups.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Markov: What is the relation between concepts "information" and "God"?
>>>
>>> OPenAI: There is no inherent or established relation between the
>>> concepts of "information" and "God". "Information" is a term used to
>>> describe data that has been processed and organized in a meaningful way,
>>> while "God" is a term used in various religious and philosophical contexts
>>> to describe a supreme being or divine force.
>>>
>>> While some religious or philosophical perspectives may connect these
>>> concepts in various ways, such connections would be subjective and not
>>> based on any inherent relationship between the two concepts. Each concept
>>> has its own distinct meaning and context.
>>>
>>> It's important to note that as an AI language model, I am designed to
>>> provide factual and objective information based on evidence and established
>>> knowledge, and I do not hold any personal beliefs or opinions on religious
>>> or philosophical matters.
>>>
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