[Fis] chatgpt

Howard Bloom howlbloom at aol.com
Sat Apr 1 01:37:18 CEST 2023 

never quote chatgpt in a scholarly article.
chatgpt makes things up.  it makes up scholarly quotes, for example.  it makes up citations to articles and books that don't exist.  it makes highly persuasive mis-statements.  total untruths.
it may give you hints when you're researching a difficult topic.  then you have to follow up those hints with the search engine of your choice.
do not bet your credibility on chatpt.
with warmth and oomph--howard

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From: Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <plamen.l.simeonov at gmail.com>
To: Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, Mar 31, 2023 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Fis] [covid-19-therapy] More evidence for coming AI threats



On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 7:06 PM Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:54 AM Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
<plamen.l.simeonov at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The last word is the most characteristic.
> If diversity of computing architectures and operating systems were embedded as a regulation requirement, such machine pandemics would not happen.

This was a Microsoft SQL application.  


Yes, which usually runs on a Microsoft OS machine, which is the most in this world not considered to be entirely flawless against ransomware and other malware that certainly needs updated antivirus products in alertness.
For an encapsulated "Parallels" MS SQL app that runs in a MacOS sandbox,there is no way to do some damage because MacOS takes care of such vulnerabilities and crashes the app only, as far as I know. 
Microsoft has been a single point of failure for the most intruders software for the simple reason that it dominated and still dominates the market and this is the main motive of hackers to cause maximum damage. That's why I said that the more OSes exist - e.g. more than 3 as we usually have now - e.g. 30 - long live diversity - the hackers' efforts would be less successful to block the internet.  
To be useful, it had to
communicate in a standard way (UDP).  


Sure, 
There were 75,000 machines
infected, the only thing in common was running this application.  

I think they were all Microsoft machines.That's why I left their products 15 years ago  to live a happier life.This does not mean that there are no Apple viruses, but they are less effective if one takes the required measures.

The
75,000 machine, sending out packets to infect other machines as fast
as they could, saturated the internet and did an estimated billion
dollars of damage.


Microsoft had to pay for that. It's their fault of not providing sufficiently reliable and safe products.The same software guru with no medical education is now meddling with vaccine production and the results lie at hand.Never ever trust Bill Gates. Period. 

> Is it really so important that all systems should interoperate and "feel" their neighbourhood all the time, and not just on demand using standardized safe protocols?

I don't know.  I am not at all sure what you are suggesting or how it
would apply to a situation like this one.


I simply mean that you can run your smartphone in AirPlain mode and your computer without WLAN most of the time if you need it.This is easy to do. In this way you can limit the time for lurking viruses from somewhere outside to enter your machine.


It's been 20 years.  The author has not been found.  As far as I know,
the vulnerability to this kind of disaster is still there.  

Yes, because people have not learned to look for exotic OSes, computers and smartphones.They can simply demand them and not embrace every cheap solution.
The lesson
is that these things can spread faster than humans can react.


Yes.
Could an AI pull this kind of takeover on the net?  

AI is always a double-edged knife. As any software,iIt can improve things if you pay, and it can worsen them if someone else pays.There is no free lunch.

It might, but why
bother, just write whatever it wants into a patch or the next version
of popular operating systems..


That's the key. The OS should not be that popular. Your behavior when using computers - too.
Best,
Plamen

Keith

> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 9:44 AM Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_Slammer__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4Zyojs9kNQ$ 
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.wired.com__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4ZwxzfM4Fw$  › 2003 › 07 › slammer
>>
>> Slammed! | WIRED
>>
>> Yet it started with a single killer packet. The tiny worm hit its
>> first victim at 12:30 am Eastern standard time. ... was doubling every
>> 8.5 seconds. ... in a single, one-way packet. Microsoft's ...
>>
>> 8.5 seconds.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 11:11 PM Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't know if you are familiar with
>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliezer_Yudkowsky__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4ZzMZNlQbw$ 
>> >
>
>
> No, but I know Bostrom's book "Superintelligence". I think the AI classic reference is Asimov's "I, the robot" with its clearly defined moral rules for AI.
> The other derivatives of the so-called "strong" and "weak" AI lines came later with the debates on the works of other AI classicians like Minsky, Chomsky and Searle who naturally extended Turing's machine and von Neuman's cellular automata paradigms.
>>
>> > Recent concerns here:
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uMQ3cqWDPHhjtiesc/agi-ruin-a-list-of-lethalities?fbclid=IwAR3U58gaUrQ7ZO-a6r6Z1merAjuHFu1YVxkZui5NZbXUWDf_iLtR8KOkqgg__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4ZxH7Rnplw$ 
>> >
>
>
> I see. Interesting, but still quite theoretical. Nevertheless, it's good to consider these concerns.
> One particular phrase in this reference about AGI lethality sounds a bell to me:
>
> AGI will not be upper-bounded by human ability or human learning speed.  Things much smarter than human would be able to learn from less evidence than humans require to have ideas driven into their brains; there are theoretical upper bounds here, but those upper bounds seem very high.
>
> What does "much smarter than human" mean here? Are we not hesitating to make decisions because of having "slow" brains, but because of weighing and waiting  for more  evidence to make the correct decision? Just imagine a fast thinking robot alone at service on the red nuke button.  Would you trust such a system to take care of your safety without a human supervisor?. Don't we also learn from "less evidence"? It depends what task you will have for the robot. Speaking generally about AGI does not make sense.
>
>>
>> > Years ago I contributed to this with a warning that you did not want
>> > to make an AI by blind copying a human brain.  Brains have
>> > psychological mechanisms that can be turned on by environmental
>> > conditions.
>> > Scarcity, for example, turns on behaviors leading to war.
>
>
> This is important. But scarcity of what? Information?
>>
>> >
>> > An AI that went to war with the human race because it saw scarcity in
>> > the future could be a total disaster.
>
>
> You probably mean "resources" here. Either way, it will be a disaster if such automation is assigned to a bunch of circuits alone.
>
> Best,
>
> Plamen
>
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 6:47 PM Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
>> >
>> > <plamen.l.simeonov at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thank you Paul for this response.
>> > > I'll comment on it shortly. Brian Ford can ignore my opinion.
>> > > If he wishes, he can leave the COVID-19 Therapy group.
>> > > I am only its moderator who contributes from time to time.
>> > > Of course, I also take care of the content/contributions, incl. my own.
>> > > In my view this one about AI + gene therapy + chemtrails + nuke missiles + .....  is serious.
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 12:58 AM Paul Werbos <paul.werbos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 2:17 PM Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <plamen.l.simeonov at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> BRIAN J. FORD, YOU CAN SIMPLY IGNORE WHAT COMES NEXT BELOW AS WHITE NOISE.
>> > >>
>> > >> It demonstrates confusion but it  us not white noise and not safely ignored. More like a bad dream than white noise.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > It is a nightmare already, in the situation of war (with ourselves).
>> > >
>> > >> Musk is  not alone by far by being worried about big changes coming now, but he does not know what they are because he does not understand the technology.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I am not sure, Paul. He knows enough, at least through his project Neuralink (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://neuralink.com__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4ZwjyHrL5w$ ), where all this is heading to.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I do.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I do that too, since I went through all the ups and downs of the 3 waves of AI to this moment, including the expert systems hype of the 1980s and the failed 5th Generation Computing Japanese project.
>> > >>
>> > >> The one page abstract attached gives a concise review with citations of what happened so far with Artificial General Intelligence AGI and what the next stages are. This was written for my plenary talk last year, to accept IEEE's Rosenblatt Award, the highest technical field award for the WCCI technologies duscussed in the abstract.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This is a very good and useful outline.
>> > >
>> > >> Vint Cert is widely known as fiiundernof the internet,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > There are also other folks who can be considered  as founders of the Internet, like D. Catz (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/pdfrfc/rfc1377.txt.pdf__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4Zxr9bpIZA$ )
>> > > as well as Postel, Reynolds and others (https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.icir.org/rfc/rfc-std.html__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4Zzpc3D-MQ$ ), let alone Tim Berners-Lee, the www inventor.
>> > > I know this story quite well, since I was involved in the development and testing of another open source protocol in the 1990s which was supposed to replace TCP and IP over ATM, XTPX. But DARPA was stronger.
>> > >
>> > >> for the oriticoks which create that foundation, but the machine learning revolution which is being built on that foundation use the new fundamental  design principles reviewed in the abstract.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Before GAI, there were three other generations of AI, each one with its advantages and drawbacks, but all of them failed so far because of naive designs, lack of technological advancement and wrong expectations, until recently (around 2015-2017) when the new AI hype emerged under a well-organized marketing scheme. I am not afraid of that kind of technology as it is, but you know that even a pencil in the hands of a fraudulent person can become a weapon. AI can be just as intelligent (and sly) as the programmer who has written the code and the data it is fed and "teached" to process. What about a hacker, or an army of them creating viruses to block and damage critical infrastructure? How many train derailments with explosions of chemical cargo have happened in the US this year, 4-5-6? What is the relation of these accidents to those of the same kind that happened there since 2000? There is a war in Ukraine, but not only there now.
>> > > In the Baltic Sea the Nordstream 2 pipeline was destroyed. And before all that we had a COVID-19 pandemic all over the world."Good morning, Vietnam!"
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> I concluded that plenary talk (recorded by IEEE) by saying:
>> > >> If you meet anyone who claims to be an expert who says he knows it will end in disaster, you have met a liar. If you meet one who says he knows it will end well, you have met another liar. No one on earth knows, becauysebbit depends on choices you have to make -- design choices.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Unfortunately, there can be different design choices, some of which are destructive. Computer viruses and malware, for instance. They can come from domestic and external sources. Steven Hawking said around 2000 that he considers them as the worst threat to humanity. And we have a billionaire software guru who plays with mRNA vaccines now. What do you think is going to come next? Would the Manhattan project be initiated on time if Einstein did not have written a letter to FDR?
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Not just legal  choices but substantive design choices.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Exactly, and software is not always bug-free. Sometimes gaps/deadlocks/loopholes in protocols and procedures are closed  and disentangled after years.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I am very worried right now because I still see litle real focus on the real design issues out there.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I consider regulation as a design issue. Without it nothing is safe.
>> > > Everything needs regulation: medications, weapons, software/AI, before even using it in order for the world to be safe.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> If the only forces at work are the ones which dominate duscussions now, then we really will all die.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I regard this warning as stimulating. It can ignite the discussion on these important issues at the end.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > >
>> > > Plamen
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ai-expert-warns-elon-musk-signed-letter-doesnt-enough-literally-everyone-earth-will-die__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4Zy2Hw39tA$ 
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.unilad.com/news/microsoft-bing-ai-threatening-users-goading-it-914620-20230323__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4ZyZy48mJw$ 
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Best,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Plamen
>> > >>>
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>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 2:17 PM Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <plamen.l.simeonov at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> BRIAN J. FORD, YOU CAN SIMPLY IGNORE WHAT COMES NEXT BELOW AS WHITE NOISE.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ai-expert-warns-elon-musk-signed-letter-doesnt-enough-literally-everyone-earth-will-die__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4Zy2Hw39tA$ 
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.unilad.com/news/microsoft-bing-ai-threatening-users-goading-it-914620-20230323__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SwTzH5xcVa656frgh_QTc6EkosUAme5GsLdq5uUcdN7WXkptwaui2AedCFxt91mJsvycMl4X4ZyZy48mJw$ 
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Best,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Plamen
>> > >>>
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