[Fis] New Perspectives

Tue Jun 11 21:08:40 CEST 2019

Joseph -- Would you like to write how you define Natural Philosophy?

STAN

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:03 PM Joseph Brenner <joe.brenner en bluewin.ch>
wrote:

> Dear Pedro and All,
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> Many thanks are due to you, Pedro, for this new and valuable formulation
> of the – daunting - task at hand. The task is logical and philosophical, as
> well as scientific. Philosophy here, exemplified by the Philosophy of
> Information, does not mean standard discussions of ‘where did we come from’
> and ‘does a transcendent deity exist’, which are as sterile in their way as
> the excesses of the IT and AI ideologists. Natural Philosophy can be a
> ‘vehicle’ for interaction between people of good will, the collaboration
> that you point to that may help to advance IS4SI. Some of you who may not
> have been at the Conference in San Francisco (Berkeley) may wish to look at
> abstracts of papers from the Philosophy of Information sub-conferences at
> the 2015, 2017 and 2019 Summit conferences on Information.
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> To revitalize the list is indeed a key first step. But it starts, in my
> opinion, with some self-examination, examination of whether one’s own
> theories are just ‘pet’ theories. Applying this criterion to my own Logic
> in Reality, about which I have written on several occasions, I claim that
> it is not just a pet theory. It is a new perspective on how information,
> logic and thought operate as real processes, following laws within the laws
> of physics, without loss of a human, ethical dimension. However, LIR makes
> many demands on one. It requires an understanding and acceptance of what is
> /*not*/ Natural Philosophy, which may include some of the ideas that have
> appeared in this list.
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> Again, accepting my own criterion of interactive non-separability, I do
> not call for any exclusions or limitations on the list. I only wish that
> everyone makes the necessary effort to position his or her own views in
> relation to the overriding need for furthering the Common Good. The sum of
> all such honest self-referential (or second-order recursive) opinions of
> people about their own work would itself be a useful creative effort, I
> think.
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> Thank you and best wishes,
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> Joseph
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces en listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Pedro C.
> Marijuan
> Sent: mardi, 11 juin 2019 13:05
> To: 'fis'
> Subject: [Fis] New Perspectives
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> Dear FIS Colleagues,
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> A few days ago took place the IS4SI Meeting, in SFco, with one of the
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> parallel sessions devoted to FIS and other sessions also with presence
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> of veteran parties of this list. Relevant speakers in the plenary
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> sessions covered the main topic of the conference, expressed as: Where
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> is the I in Artificial Intelligence and the Meaning in Information? From
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> Tristan Harris to Melanie Mitchell, to Paul Verschure, etc.
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> In my view the perspectives in these IT fields are changing
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> significantly. The tremendous hype in AI, Deep Learning, IOT, etc. keeps
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> unabated, but critical voices are being heard, not just from a few
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> Academia corners as usual, but now by leading technologists and
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> researchers of big companies in these very fields. "Dissent" on the
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> contents, methodologies, and consequences of social applications is
> growing.
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> The industrial development of this IT sector --notwithstanding the
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> inflated proclamations and all the hype of the gurus-- does not mean the
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> arrival of some great singularity, or the symbiosis with machines, or
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> widespread menace of robots & cyborgs... these are slogans coming from
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> the industrialists to maintain social/ideological preeminence for their
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> whole sector. Rather I think they are starting to feel the consequences
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> of their social overstretching in different ways.
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> The fundamental point, in my opinion, is that our solitary, isolated
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> efforts from a few Academia places (Sciences & Humanities) in the quest
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> for new perspectives in Information Science, and not just AI
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> development, should not isolated any more. We can now establish an
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> interesting dialog and partnership with those new "dissenters" of the
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> technology in its concepts, methods, and social applications. It is upon
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> us to improve the discussion procedures, the collaborations, the
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> organization, etc. so that this opportunity might materialize
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> progressively. Do not ask me how... In any case I pointed out three
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> future directions for IS4SI advancement: community building, attracting
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> scientific/technological avantgarde, and organizational improvement.
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> Revitalizing this discussion list--shouldn't it be one of the first steps?
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> Best greetings to all,
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> --Pedro
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> Pedro C. Marijuán
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> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
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> pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es
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> http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/
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