[Fis] The shadows are real !!!

[John Collier]

Daer Krassimir, List

I basically support what you are saying. I understand the mathematics 
you presented, I am good at mathematics and studied logic with some of 
the best. However, and this is a big however, giving a mathematical or 
logical proof by itself, in its formalism, does not show anything at 
all. One has to be able to connect teh mathematics to experience in a 
comprehensible way. This was partly the topic of my dissertation, and I 
take a basically Peircean approach, though there are others that are 
pretty strong as well.

I fgenerally skip over the mathematics and look for the empirical 
connections. If I find them, then generally all becomes clear. Without 
this, the formalism is nothing more than formalism. It does not help to 
give formal names to things and assume that this identifies things, 
Often trying to follow up approaches kine this is a profound waste of 
time. I try to, and often am able to, express my ideas in a nonformal 
way. Some mathematically oriented colleagues see this as automatically 
defective, since they think that formal representation is all that 
really rigorously explains things. This sort of thinking (in Logical 
Positivism) eventually led to its own destruction as people started to 
ask the meaning of theoretical terms and their relation to observations. 
It is a defunct and self destructive metaphysics. Irt leads nowhere -- 
my PhD thesis was about this problem. It hurts me to see people making 
the same mistake, especially when it leads them to bizarre conclusions 
that are compatible with the formalism (actually, it is provable that 
almost anything is compatible with a specific formalism, up to numerosity).

I don't like to waste my time with such emptiness,

John

On 2018/02/25 6:22 PM, Krassimir Markov wrote:
> Dear Sung,
> I like your approach but I think it is only a part of the whole.
> 1. */The shadows are real/* but only a part of the whole. What is 
> needed is a systematic research from what they are part.
> 2. About the whole now I will use the category theory I have seen you 
> like:
> /CAT_A => F => CAT_B => G => CAT_C /
> //
> /CAT_A => H => CAT_C /
> //
> /_F ○ G = H /
> where
> /F/, /G/, and /H/ are /*functors*/;
> /CAT_II Î CAT/ is the category of /*information interaction categories*/;
> /CAT_A Î CAT_II / and /CAT_C Î CAT_II /  are the categories of 
> */mental models’ categories/*;
> /CAT_B Î CAT_II /  is the category of */models’ categories/*.
> Of course, I will explain this in natural language (English) in 
> further posts.
> Smile
> ;
> Dear  Karl,
> Thank you for your post – it is very useful and I will discus it in 
> further posts.
> ;
> Dear Pedro,
> Thank you for your nice words.
> Mathematics is very good to be used when all know the mathematical 
> languages.
> Unfortunately, only a few scientists are involved in the mathematical 
> reasoning, in one hand, and, as the Bourbaki experiment had shown, not 
> everything is ready to be formalized.
> How much of FIS members understood what I had written above?
> The way starts from philosophical reasoning  and only some times ends 
> in mathematical formal explanations.
> Friendly greetings
> Krassimir
>
>
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John Collier
Emeritus Professor and Senior Research Associate
Philosophy, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban
Collier web page <http://web.ncf.ca/collier>
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