[Fis] planckian information

[Krassimir Markov]

Dear Sung, Pedro and FIS Colleagues,

I think we all time discuss the same very important topic, but from different points of view.

Planckian distribution equation (PDE) is a very important step. 

In the paper of SUNGCHUL JI :
“PLANCKIAN INFORMATION (IP): A NEW MEASURE OF ORDER IN ATOMS, ENZYMES, CELLS, BRAINS, HUMAN SOCIETIES, AND THE COSMOS”
http://www.conformon.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/PDE_Vigier9.pdf  

is pointed that:

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The Planckian information, IP, which (i) may be a new measure of order that can be applied widely to both natural and human sciences and (ii) can serve as the opposite of the Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy, S, which is a measure of disorder.
...
More generally "information" can be defined as the correlation between the source (or the 'object' in the language of Peircean semiotics) and the receiver ('interpreter') of a communication system. The message carried by the messenger ('sign' or 'representation') in the communication system can be identified with "information". The net result of such a mediated process can be described as the 'information flow' from the source to the receiver.
Just as the Peircean sign is an irreducible triad (i.e., it cannot be defined without all of the 3 nodes, i.e., object, representation, and interpreter [2, see Row 6 in Table V] , connected by the three edges representing 'natural process', 'mental process', and 'information flow', so I maintain that 'information' is another "irreducible triad" (of source, messenger, and receiver).
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This means that again we cannot take in account differed 'interpreters' – what is an information for one may be not information for the another.

Because of this, in General information Theory, the information is defined as quadruple:
I = (source, messenger, evidence, receiver).

In all cases, the interpreter is an intelligent agent who may evaluate incoming messages and corresponded evidences!  

I like idea of the Unified Theory of the Amount of Information (UTAI) but, as it is pointed in the paper above, we need more:

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Many investigators have suggested that information has three distinct aspects –(i) quantity, (ii) meaning, and (iii) value. It is important to keep in mind that UTAI can only deal with the AMOUNT of information, not its meaning nor its value.
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The UTAI may be considered as the 'quantitative functor' connecting the mathematical aspects of communication, and I predict that there is the 'qualitative functor' (in agreement with the assumed principle of quantity-quality complementarity [30]) that connects the qualitative aspects of communication and semiotics. This predicted qualitative functor may be identified with natural and formal languages, both of which belonging to the class of the irreducible triad (see Fig. 27).
“

The “evidence” or, in other words, “information expectation”, maybe corresponds to the qualitative functor but I have no idea how we can extend UTAI in such direction. 

Friendly regards
Krassimir






From: Pedro C. Marijuan 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:26 PM
To: 'fis' 
Subject: [Fis] planckian information

Dear FISers,

quite many things have been said these days about our "family ghosts". Everyone has a different opinion on the under-information matter, and maybe that's healthy. Personally I have not changed very much the vision with which FIS was started many years ago. See in the descriptive text (http://fis.sciforum.net/about-fis/):  "...At FIS, rather than the discussion of a single particularized concept, information becomes the intellectual adventure of developing a ‘vertical’ or ‘transdisciplinary’ science connecting the different threads and scales of informational processes, which demands both a unifying and a multi-perspective approach..."

With time my impression, already expressed in this list, is that there is a fundamental hiatus in our conceptions around biological information so that a meaningful connection with the several infos of the physical realm, and the miscellany of humanities can not be worked out. In a couple of recent discussions I was close to see with more clarity the problem, but again I feel blurred. It does not mean at all that I have an abandonment attitude. Conversely I think we are getting closer and closer. The fundamental fact of our generation is the stupendous new panorama that computers and the new technologies have opened on life, from the bioinformatics to the neurodynamics and the "topodynamics". To say something more concrete the big problem I see is how to enter the LIFE CYCLE as the generalized source and sink of the information flows.

And then the Planckian Information theme presented by our new colleague Sung looks quite intriguing. Why most of these information flows and energy flows exchanges are caught under that covering law? Anecdotally we (my research minigroup) are working in the sociotype, understood as the social communication structures surrounding the person. What is the average number of friends and acquaintances that we can maintain meaninfully? Probably you have heard about Dunbar's number (in between 150-200), but what sort of statistical distribution would you obtain? Very easy, seemingly they follow a Planckian distribution. We have limited mental resources and have to keep an "economy" on our memory investment on other people... 


Anyhow, the present discussion session may be important to make an indent on this curious commonality between the physical and the biotic arrangement of exchanges.

All the best--Pedro


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Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
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