[Fis] [Sadhu Sanga] Physics hype ...

[Diego Lucio Rapoport]

Dear Sung Ji,
I agree with your qualifications. Whether the non-linear system is
thermodynamical or not, its evolution blowing up to infinity with its
ensuing reorganization theough actual negative values makes it a
morphogenetic phase of its evolution, far more deeper operative and
remarkable than "negative entropy" as in the context of
Information Theory. I chose to call it an ontopoietic phase, to remark its
non-dual logophysical basis.
Thank you.
Best regards
Diego

2017-01-25 18:50 GMT-03:00 Sungchul Ji <sji.conformon at gmail.com>:

> Hi Diego ji,
>
> I downloaded your papers which will take me some time to read (and, I
> hope, digest).
>
> You used the term "negative entropy" twice in the following paragraph:
>
> "Returning to the issue discussed by Dr Rich Norman  of the validity of
> the second law of thermodynamics in relation to biology
> where* negative entropy* drives systems to self-organize, I would like to
> comment that *any non-linear* thermodynamical system
> actually increases to develop a singularity which is followed by the
> reorganization of the system through *negative entropy*"
>
> I would like to call your attention to the fact that  there is no
> "negative entropy" (which was first used by Schroedinger in 1944),
> since the Third Law of thermodynamics prohibits it [see my book chapter,
> Third Law of Thermodynamics and Schroedinger's Paradox, available at
> http://www.conformon.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Schroedi
> nger_paradox.pdf].
>
> But the concept of "negative entropy change" is perfectly valid which is
> associated with ordering and organization of matter.
> Thus, it may be convenient to define "negative entropy change" as
> "negentropy", although Brillouin (1889-1969) coined this term
> in 1953 to indicate "negative entropy" which, as pointed out above,
> violates the Third Law of thermodynamics and hence invalid.  In other
> words, I am
> suggesting that there are two meanings of "negentropy", old and new, of
> which the old meaning is invalid:
>
>
> *Old *(1953): negentropy = negative entropy (which violates the Third Law)
>
> *New *(2012): negentropy = negative entropy change (which is associated,
> often but not always, with order and organization)
> [S. Ji (1974) Energy and Negentropy in Enzymic Catalysis.  PDF at
> http://www.conformon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/
> Energy_and_negentropy_in_enzymic_catalysis.pdf].  .
>
>
> So I strongly recommend that the term "negative entropy" be replaced with
> "negentropy" with its new 2012 meaning, i.e., "negative entropy change",
> and not with its old meaning, with 1953 meaning, i.e., "negative entropy".
>
> If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.
>
> All the best.
>
> Sung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 10:28 PM, Diego Lucio Rapoport <
> diego.rapoport at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues
>>
>> Returning to the issue discussed by Dr Rich Norman  of the validity of
>> the second law of thermodynamics in relation to biology where negative
>> entropy drives
>> systems to self-organize, I would like to comment that *any non-linear*
>> thermodynamical system actually increases to develop a singularity which is
>> followed
>> by the reorganization of the system through negative entropy, following
>> the destruction of the  system in its previous form.
>>
>> This is related to the non-orientability -say Mobius strip- of the
>> compactified complex number system as discussed in
>> https://www.academia.edu/30485983/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_S
>> elf-reference_Heterarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_
>> Evolution._Part_I_Morphomechanics_Space_and_Time_in_Biology_
>> and_Physics_Cognition_Non-Linearity_and_the_Structure_of_Uncertainty
>>
>> and the implications to chemistry, biology, cognition, metamathematics,
>> genomics and evolution are discussed in
>>
>> https://www.academia.edu/30546256/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_S
>> elf-reference_Heterarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_
>> Evolution._Part_II_Non-orientability_Cognition_Chemical_Topo
>> logy_and_Eversions_in_Nature
>>
>> https://www.academia.edu/30518156/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_S
>> elf-reference_Heterarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_
>> Evolution._Part_III_The_Klein_Bottle_Logic_of_Genomics_and_i
>> ts_Dynamics_Quantum_Information_Complexity_and_Palindromic_
>> Repeats_in_Evolution
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Diego Rapoport
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> w). Thank you for starting this topic, Dr. Ford.  Your piece is correct
>>> by my estimation, and fits quite exactly with many statements in our new
>>> book.  [Are you familiar with Bechamp?…that chalk sir! You may request a
>>> paper which makes tangible use of physics within cell biology.  Those were
>>> stunning images in your paper.]  There is a great deal of this rot in
>>> physics and cosmology.  Before I begin a new thread concerning causality, I
>>> must add my sad approval to the exhausted refrain below, which did not
>>> offend me in any way.  The situation in my broken country and the world
>>> inspires such painful honesty.  I will put a link to a paper concerning
>>> gravitation which is in keeping, added below the following comment by Eric
>>> Sabo, and then a possible explanation.
>>>
>>> “At CERN and Fermilab, no two collisions are exactly the same.
>>> Their efforts are a waste of time as any particles they create only last
>>> nanoseconds and then they "evaporate".
>>>
>>>
>>> The really odd thing is not one physicist at those facilities ever ask
>>> "Where did they evaporate to?"...
>>> (The only logical answer is, back to the Aether.) It's just a jobs
>>> program for physicists.
>>>
>>>
>>> What's really odd is they pat themselves on the backs and hand out Nobel
>>> Prizes for their efforts.
>>> I see the real benefit of those projects is that it's all good magnet
>>> R&D...... (For future Antimatter Containment)
>>>
>>>
>>> . . . .Residing in the urban environment give me the impression that the
>>> stupid people have propagated out of control.
>>> And, every one of them has the right to exist..... and vote!.......
>>> (There's no hope for Humanity.)”
>>>
>>> You sir, are right!  https://www.researchgate.net/p
>>> ublication/310845151_Practical_and_theoretical_assessment_of
>>> _relativistic_theory_v_2?ev=prf_pub
>>>
>>> I have just completed a book detailing a great deal of this kind of
>>> thing.  A LONG book, gentlemen!  *Science hype, and deception*.  Just
>>> look at all that overstatement and deception.  Have you read the papers
>>> debunking LIGO?  Here is our new book *Beyond the Veil: Deception,
>>> truth and the hidden promise of science*.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Veil-Deception-Thoughts-Conven
>>> tional/dp/1541117409/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483385806&sr=1-1
>>>
>>> *Here is a new thought for you:*
>>>
>>> Does the second law of thermodynamics imply by necessity the social
>>> turbulence we see all around us?  The answer is no, entropy increase itself
>>> does not imply social discord as a necessary consequence.  Biological life
>>> is itself an expression of negative entropy, an exporting of entropy in
>>> order to sustain itself and its organized processes.  The biology should by
>>> multiplicative extension increase negative entropy through numerical
>>> increase.
>>>
>>> I will speculate to explain the effects witnessed: The effect we see,
>>> the social horror then, I will hypothesize is a function of the lack of
>>> emergent intelligence from the new larger system.  Instead of a healthy
>>> intra-connected single human system, as analogously in the case of a mat of
>>> bacteria relating to its cohabited environment, the connection between
>>> the microorganisms fostering a cooperative intelligence to emerge which
>>> guides proliferation and development
>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/296687326_Physical_Non-Contact_Communication_between_Microscopic_Aquatic_Species_Novel_Experimental_Evidences_for_an_Interspecies_Information_Exchange?enrichId=rgreq-509630d830172fd20d252b3bd4d6f19c-XXX&enrichSource=Y292ZXJQYWdlOzI5NjY4NzMyNjtBUzozMzU5NTA0MDk0MjA4MDdAMTQ1NzEwODIyNzI5NQ%3D%3D&el=1_x_2&_esc=publicationCoverPdf>,
>>> a function terminated with interrupted intra-connectivity, our race is set
>>> against itself, the single system broken apart, our unconscious
>>> connectivity in my estimation has been shut off: we compete at every turn,
>>> and our mental topography has removed the inner means to support the
>>> healthy effect!  I believe, the paper linked below contains the answer.  To
>>> have altered the aspects in this document, has changed my ‘luck.’  My
>>> entire world seems effortless and on track.  I believe, the loss of
>>> identifications with the world and our fellow humans is the cause of the
>>> discord.  Theoretically, as a mat of bacteria, we should operate in
>>> cooperative mutual adjustment with the other organisms which share our
>>> environment…I hypothesize: but for this.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309566203_Super-ego
>>> _and_the_neuroscience_of_empathy_from_unconscious_wish_to_ma
>>> nifest_behavior--a_new_human_model
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for all this new thinking.  The recent email from John Kineman
>>> was simply excellent.  I will begin a thread later on related topics.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Rich Norman
>>> Journal of Unconscious Psychology
>>> www.mindmagazine.net
>>> http://squa62.wix.com/future-life-net
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Prof. Brian J Ford <
>>> bjford at sciences.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The extraordinary hyperbole surrounding theoretical physics and
>>> cosmology is disproportionate in comparison with sciences with which people
>>> should be familiar; I have addressed this in a shortly published article
>>> (attached, and in confidence).
>>>
>>> There are strong resonances with the mythical world of Jonathan Swift in
>>> all this.
>>>
>>> On the safety of nuclear explosions, although the atomic bomb's capacity
>>> for destruction was less than some had predicted, bear in mind (as I have
>>> discussed in a recent book) that the Little Boy bomb dropped on Hiroshima
>>> contained 59 kg U235, of which only 600 mg was released as thermal energy.
>>> Had it all been converted, as some were anticipating, it would have been
>>> 100,000 times as powerful.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Brian J Ford
>>> Cambridge UK
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* contact at howgravityworks.org
>>> *To:* Online_Sadhu_Sanga at googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:06 AM
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego
>>>
>>> My apologies if I have offended anyone. It's just sometimes I think that
>>> I am really tired of everything.
>>> (Especially the recent US election.)
>>> Thank you again.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego
>>> From: "'BMP' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M.
>>> Puri Maharaja, Ph.D." <Online_Sadhu_Sanga at googlegroups.com>
>>> Date: Mon, January 09, 2017 6:25 am
>>> To: "Online_Sadhu_Sanga at googlegroups.com"
>>> <Online_Sadhu_Sanga at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Thank you, Eric for your intelligent if brutal honesty.
>>>
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>>> *From:* "contact at howgravityworks.org" <contact at howgravityworks.org>
>>> *To:* Online_Sadhu_Sanga at googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 7, 2017 5:01 AM
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego
>>>
>>> Good answer. What really disturbs me is the ability of the individual
>>> to construct a reality  for themselves
>>> that is based in no factual evidence at all. What's even more disturbing
>>> is the will of some to impose their
>>> reality on others even though the imposer knows that the reality they
>>> are imposing is false.
>>>
>>> An ignorant or illiterate can also create a false reality and impose it
>>> on others if they have a strong enough
>>> personality and that is even more disturbing. Perhaps that is the true
>>> reason for Sharia Law to exist.
>>> It would appear to be a unifying set of rules that unites and controls
>>> an otherwise barbaric and chaotic
>>> mass of ignorant people that would be without discipline without it.
>>>
>>> My reality is the universe is dynamical chaos that manages to fall
>>> within parameter. For example;
>>> All Oak trees are Oaks yet, no two are ever the exactly same. No two
>>> Vidalia onions are exactly the same.
>>> No two stars are exactly the same. At CERN and Fermilab, no two
>>> collisions are exactly the same.
>>> Their efforts are a waste of time as any particles they create only last
>>> nanoseconds and then they "evaporate".
>>>
>>> The really odd thing is not one physicist at those facilities ever ask
>>> "Where did they evaporate to?"...
>>> (The only logical answer is, back to the Aether.) It's just a jobs
>>> program for physicists.
>>>
>>> What's really odd is they pat themselves on the backs and hand out Nobel
>>> Prizes for their efforts.
>>> I see the real benefit of those projects is that it's all good magnet
>>> R&D...... (For future Antimatter Containment)
>>>
>>> We probably shouldn't be upset about anything. Sometimes I consider that
>>> I am the only entity in existence
>>> and that everything and everyone in my reality is a construct for my
>>> amusement. (Or torture lately..... LOL)
>>> (You can't enjoy the good times without a little bad.)
>>>
>>> Residing in the urban environment give me the impression that the stupid
>>> people have propagated out of control.
>>> And, every one of them has the right to exist..... and vote!.......
>>> (There's no hope for Humanity.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego
>>> From: "'BMP' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M.
>>> Puri Maharaja, Ph.D." <Online_Sadhu_Sanga at googlegroups.com>
>>> Date: Fri, January 06, 2017 9:18 am
>>> To: Online Sadhu Sanga <online_sadhu_sanga at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> On Jan 4 2017 contact at howgravityworks.org wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > "The reality we accept is a human construct.”(Deepak Chopra)
>>>
>>> >I have observed that people do indeed create their own reality. Some
>>> even are able to alter >others reality by their mere physical presence. The
>>> problem I have with all of it is, all >their realities would seem to be
>>> false.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> REPLY
>>>
>>> This seems to be as concise an assessment of the situation as any
>>> already presented.
>>>
>>> It is reasonable to say that individuals may have different
>>> interpretations of reality,  but in itself Reality is not simply a matter
>>> of being a human construct or there would be no meaning to 'error,'
>>> 'mistake,' 'illusion,' and so on. Indeed there would be no meaning to
>>> 'truth' as opposed to untruth.
>>>
>>> Human consciousness is limited to its body. An individual is conscious o
>>> nly to the limits of its skin or surface. One may see a tree, or a star,
>>> or a bat - but that same individual cannot know or be conscious of what it
>>> is like to be a bat, as one recent American philosopher, Thomas Nagel,
>>> famously announced in *The Philosophical Review* in October 1974.
>>>
>>> A human being has direct consciousness of its body and of its thoughts,
>>> but beyond that it has only representations (signs), images, or reflections
>>> (on the mind's mirror) of the world outside its body. Human consciousness
>>> is therefore NOT the consciousness of trees, stars, bats, or anything else.
>>> It is conscious of other things beyond its
>>>  body, but not the consciousness of those things.
>>>
>>>
>>> However, there is a consciousness of both individual human consciousness
>>> and the other things/persons of which an individual may be conscious. That
>>> universal consciousness is not only the consciousness of all Reality but
>>> also the consciousness of itself, i.e. it is self-consciousness in and for
>>> Itself. This universal self-consciousness is identical with itself as
>>> Reality, since Reality is the manifestation or expression of itself as real
>>> (being-for-other, or Otherness), while not losing its being-for-itself or
>>> self-consciousness as its ideality or Self-Concept. Here we find the true
>>> dynamic meaning of *Advaita* (non-duality), or the negation of *dvaita* (duality).
>>> Reality as the Otherness of Universal Self-consciousness is simultaneously
>>> Other (different from) yet identical (same as) universal Self consciousness
>>> being the manifest determinateness of what Self-consciousness is.
>>>
>>> To strip Universal Self-consciousness of its Reality is to abstract
>>> consciousness from its concrete Truth as Self-consciousness of Itself. In
>>> other words, it is to end up with a one-sided mental abstraction from the
>>> concrete or whole truth. There are two mistakes here: 1. not only is
>>> Universal Self-consciousness abstracted from Its own Reality, but 2.
>>> Self-consciousness is naievly reduced to consciousness which lacks the
>>> integral unity essential to it (the Self or true Ego) - what Kant called
>>> the unity of apperception.
>>>
>>> These mistakes are the result of relying on contingent irrational
>>> intuitions (instincts) without proper philosophical study or knowledge of
>>> the logical necessity that governs the internal rationality of all thought
>>> sequences or movement. Philosophers of Spirit have studied and reached
>>> rational conclusions on the nature of consciousness and its ground in
>>> Spirit. Those who ignore that body of knowledge are illiterate and can only
>>> be victimized by their own conditioned instincts. That is not how human
>>> knowledge or science advances.
>>>
>>> When an image is reflected in a mirror, the image is not considered to
>>> be the result of glass and silver of the mirror somehow acting to create
>>> the image. The image has its orgin outside of the mirror and is made of
>>> completely different stuff. A tree reflected in a lake is not made of
>>> water. A radio playing back a broadcast it has received is not producing
>>> the broadcast from itself. Each of these examples provide metaphors for how
>>> to understand the difference between a reality outside of human
>>> consciousness can be reflected within an individual's consciousness without
>>> being the product of that consciousness.
>>>
>>> At the same time Reality is not fixed in stone; it is not an inert slab
>>> or impersonal substance. It does not exist only as a reflection within
>>> human consciousness, nor as a product of human consciousness. Such ideas do
>>> not pass the examination of rational thought. The idea that Reality is
>>> Self-conscious Thinking Being in and for itself [Spirit/God] does not
>>> suffer that defect. An individual is a finite moment or instantiation of
>>> Living Reality that reflects that Reality immanently within its
>>> infinitesimal self and can interpret or misinterpret it according to the
>>> extent of its knowledge and wisdom.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Bhakti Madhava Puri, Ph.D.
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>>> contact (contact at howgravityworks.org)  Jan 4
>>>
>>>
>>>  "The reality we accept is a human construct.”(Deepak Chopra)
>>>
>>> I have observed that people do indeed create their own reality. Some
>>> even are able to alter others reality by their mere physical presence. The
>>> problem I have with all of it is, all their realities would seem to be
>>> false.
>>>
>>> Being an electrical contractor my entire working life, I have observed
>>> the following scenario; I am working in a large commercial building with a
>>> thousand people sitting in cubicles with phones and computers.
>>> There's everyone from CEO to janitor working there also.
>>>
>>> Suddenly, "Boom" the electricity for the entire building goes out.
>>> Until I can rush to the main distribution switchgear and restore power,
>>> they all become totally useless.
>>>
>>> If the power went out permanently, they would all be sitting around
>>> candles chanting "Nam myoho renge kyo".
>>>
>>> It's actually a frightening scenario to me. Some say, "Who would want to
>>> live without electricity."
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