[Fis] [Sadhu Sanga] Physics hype ...
Andrew Fingelkurts / BM-Science
andrew.fingelkurts at bm-science.com
Thu Jan 26 10:22:54 CET 2017
Dear Diego,
Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments. We are not mathematicians
neither physicists, therefore some advanced concepts are not easy to follow,
but we will try to look at your work in relation to your comments :)
In the end of your message you have referred to the dilemma of God… It
sounds similar to our paper: “Is our brain hardwired to produce God or is
our brain hardwired to perceive God? A systematic review on the role of the
brain in mediating religious experience.” This paper is outside the physics
domain and also does not touch explicitly ‘information’, - it discusses the
empirical evidence about the neural constituents of religious experience and
analyse it critically. For those who might be interested, please have a look
here: http://www.bm-science.com/team/art56.pdf
Greetings,
A&A
From: Diego Lucio Rapoport [mailto:diego.rapoport at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January, 2017 04:38
To: Andrew Fingelkurts / BM-Science
Cc: Online_Sadhu_Sanga at googlegroups.com; squash at gotsky.com; Jeremy
Dunning-Davies; fis; Brian J Ford; contact at howgravityworks.org
Subject: Re: [Fis] [Sadhu Sanga] Physics hype ...
Dear Andrew and Alexander
Thank you dearly for your most striking comment that the transition of
non-linear thermodynamical systems from exploding entropy to a
reorganization of the system
through negative entropy as per my work is the case of the brain as per your
work following Freeman's tradition. (You even wrote it almost identically to
my own presentation!)
Allow me to suggest however, that rather than a nested hierarchy (say a
Matrushka) as already suggested by Freeman, which is an iterated dual
logophysics,
the case is of an hyperKlein Bottle which is non-dual and heterarchical,
rather than hierarchical (or, in other terms, both), as discussed in my work
retaking MacCulloch's 1945 work.
The neural networks that Freeman considered as producing the nested
hierarchy may well be non-orientable (Mobius strip ) as discussed also in my
work, being the case that the topographic
maps of vision and somatosensory systems have the Klein Bottle topology, as
is also the case of genomes.
I look forward to study your works and return to you.
By the way, this non-dual logophysics which integrates Outside and Inside
-as is the Klein Bottle- seems to be the natural one regarding the issue
whether
God(s) produces our bodies as to cognize him (her) and organize our lives or
we produce God(s).
Best and kind regards,
Diego Rapoport
PS Does the dimensional reduction of the olfactory phenomenology to the
single radial "spherical" dimension at the olfactory bulb
indicates a projective geometry with antipodal points identified, as retaken
by Freeman from earlier research?
Would that be indeed the case, then finite sections of the bulb would be
Mobius strips :-) (!!)
2017-01-24 7:24 GMT-03:00 Andrew Fingelkurts / BM-Science
<andrew.fingelkurts at bm-science.com>:
Dear All,
In relation to the below mentioned “any non-linear thermodynamical system
actually increases to develop a singularity which is followed
by the reorganization of the system through negative entropy, following the
destruction of the system in its previous form” we would like to comment
that exactly the same principle is observed in the nested hierarchy of the
brain electromagnetic field that supports the nested hierarchy of mentality
and consciousness in particular (for a complete description and discussion,
please see http://www.bm-science.com/team/art76.pdf)
Greetings,
Andrew and Alexander
From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Diego Lucio
Rapoport
Sent: Monday, 23 January, 2017 05:28
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Dunning-Davies
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Subject: Re: [Fis] [Sadhu Sanga] Physics hype ...
Dear Colleagues
Returning to the issue discussed by Dr Rich Norman of the validity of the
second law of thermodynamics in relation to biology where negative entropy
drives
systems to self-organize, I would like to comment that any non-linear
thermodynamical system actually increases to develop a singularity which is
followed
by the reorganization of the system through negative entropy, following the
destruction of the system in its previous form.
This is related to the non-orientability -say Mobius strip- of the
compactified complex number system as discussed in
https://www.academia.edu/30485983/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_Self-reference_He
terarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_Evolution._Part_I_Morphomechanic
s_Space_and_Time_in_Biology_and_Physics_Cognition_Non-Linearity_and_the_Stru
cture_of_Uncertainty
and the implications to chemistry, biology, cognition, metamathematics,
genomics and evolution are discussed in
https://www.academia.edu/30546256/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_Self-reference_He
terarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_Evolution._Part_II_Non-orientabi
lity_Cognition_Chemical_Topology_and_Eversions_in_Nature
https://www.academia.edu/30518156/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_Self-reference_He
terarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_Evolution._Part_III_The_Klein_Bo
ttle_Logic_of_Genomics_and_its_Dynamics_Quantum_Information_Complexity_and_P
alindromic_Repeats_in_Evolution
Best regards
Diego Rapoport
w). Thank you for starting this topic, Dr. Ford. Your piece is correct by
my estimation, and fits quite exactly with many statements in our new book.
[Are you familiar with Bechamp?…that chalk sir! You may request a paper
which makes tangible use of physics within cell biology. Those were
stunning images in your paper.] There is a great deal of this rot in
physics and cosmology. Before I begin a new thread concerning causality, I
must add my sad approval to the exhausted refrain below, which did not
offend me in any way. The situation in my broken country and the world
inspires such painful honesty. I will put a link to a paper concerning
gravitation which is in keeping, added below the following comment by Eric
Sabo, and then a possible explanation.
“At CERN and Fermilab, no two collisions are exactly the same.
Their efforts are a waste of time as any particles they create only last
nanoseconds and then they "evaporate".
The really odd thing is not one physicist at those facilities ever ask
"Where did they evaporate to?"...
(The only logical answer is, back to the Aether.) It's just a jobs program
for physicists.
What's really odd is they pat themselves on the backs and hand out Nobel
Prizes for their efforts.
I see the real benefit of those projects is that it's all good magnet
R&D...... (For future Antimatter Containment)
. . . .Residing in the urban environment give me the impression that the
stupid people have propagated out of control.
And, every one of them has the right to exist..... and vote!....... (There's
no hope for Humanity.)”
You sir, are right!
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/310845151_Practical_and_theoretical
_assessment_of_relativistic_theory_v_2?ev=prf_pub
I have just completed a book detailing a great deal of this kind of thing.
A LONG book, gentlemen! Science hype, and deception. Just look at all that
overstatement and deception. Have you read the papers debunking LIGO? Here
is our new book Beyond the Veil: Deception, truth and the hidden promise of
science.
https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Veil-Deception-Thoughts-Conventional/dp/154111
7409/ref=sr_1_1?s=books
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17409/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483385806&sr=1-1>
&ie=UTF8&qid=1483385806&sr=1-1
Here is a new thought for you:
Does the second law of thermodynamics imply by necessity the social
turbulence we see all around us? The answer is no, entropy increase itself
does not imply social discord as a necessary consequence. Biological life
is itself an expression of negative entropy, an exporting of entropy in
order to sustain itself and its organized processes. The biology should by
multiplicative extension increase negative entropy through numerical
increase.
I will speculate to explain the effects witnessed: The effect we see, the
social horror then, I will hypothesize is a function of the lack of emergent
intelligence from the new larger system. Instead of a healthy
intra-connected single human system, as analogously in the case of a mat of
bacteria relating to its cohabited environment, the connection between the
microorganisms fostering a cooperative intelligence to emerge which guides
proliferation and development
<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/296687326_Physical_Non-Contact_Com
munication_between_Microscopic_Aquatic_Species_Novel_Experimental_Evidences_
for_an_Interspecies_Information_Exchange?enrichId=rgreq-509630d830172fd20d25
2b3bd4d6f19c-XXX&enrichSource=Y292ZXJQYWdlOzI5NjY4NzMyNjtBUzozMzU5NTA0MDk0Mj
A4MDdAMTQ1NzEwODIyNzI5NQ%3D%3D&el=1_x_2&_esc=publicationCoverPdf> , a
function terminated with interrupted intra-connectivity, our race is set
against itself, the single system broken apart, our unconscious connectivity
in my estimation has been shut off: we compete at every turn, and our mental
topography has removed the inner means to support the healthy effect! I
believe, the paper linked below contains the answer. To have altered the
aspects in this document, has changed my ‘luck.’ My entire world seems
effortless and on track. I believe, the loss of identifications with the
world and our fellow humans is the cause of the discord. Theoretically, as
a mat of bacteria, we should operate in cooperative mutual adjustment with
the other organisms which share our environment…I hypothesize: but for this.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309566203_Super-ego_and_the_neurosc
ience_of_empathy_from_unconscious_wish_to_manifest_behavior--a_new_human_mod
el
Thank you for all this new thinking. The recent email from John Kineman was
simply excellent. I will begin a thread later on related topics.
Thank you,
Rich Norman
Journal of Unconscious Psychology
www.mindmagazine.net
http://squa62.wix.com/future-life-net
On Jan 11, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Prof. Brian J Ford
<bjford at sciences.demon.co.uk> wrote:
The extraordinary hyperbole surrounding theoretical physics and cosmology is
disproportionate in comparison with sciences with which people should be
familiar; I have addressed this in a shortly published article (attached,
and in confidence).
There are strong resonances with the mythical world of Jonathan Swift in all
this.
On the safety of nuclear explosions, although the atomic bomb's capacity for
destruction was less than some had predicted, bear in mind (as I have
discussed in a recent book) that the Little Boy bomb dropped on Hiroshima
contained 59 kg U235, of which only 600 mg was released as thermal energy.
Had it all been converted, as some were anticipating, it would have been
100,000 times as powerful.
Best wishes
Brian J Ford
Cambridge UK
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My apologies if I have offended anyone. It's just sometimes I think that I
am really tired of everything.
(Especially the recent US election.)
Thank you again.
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Thank you, Eric for your intelligent if brutal honesty.
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Good answer. What really disturbs me is the ability of the individual to
construct a reality for themselves
that is based in no factual evidence at all. What's even more disturbing is
the will of some to impose their
reality on others even though the imposer knows that the reality they are
imposing is false.
An ignorant or illiterate can also create a false reality and impose it on
others if they have a strong enough
personality and that is even more disturbing. Perhaps that is the true
reason for Sharia Law to exist.
It would appear to be a unifying set of rules that unites and controls an
otherwise barbaric and chaotic
mass of ignorant people that would be without discipline without it.
My reality is the universe is dynamical chaos that manages to fall within
parameter. For example;
All Oak trees are Oaks yet, no two are ever the exactly same. No two Vidalia
onions are exactly the same.
No two stars are exactly the same. At CERN and Fermilab, no two collisions
are exactly the same.
Their efforts are a waste of time as any particles they create only last
nanoseconds and then they "evaporate".
The really odd thing is not one physicist at those facilities ever ask
"Where did they evaporate to?"...
(The only logical answer is, back to the Aether.) It's just a jobs program
for physicists.
What's really odd is they pat themselves on the backs and hand out Nobel
Prizes for their efforts.
I see the real benefit of those projects is that it's all good magnet
R&D...... (For future Antimatter Containment)
We probably shouldn't be upset about anything. Sometimes I consider that I
am the only entity in existence
and that everything and everyone in my reality is a construct for my
amusement. (Or torture lately..... LOL)
(You can't enjoy the good times without a little bad.)
Residing in the urban environment give me the impression that the stupid
people have propagated out of control.
And, every one of them has the right to exist..... and vote!....... (There's
no hope for Humanity.)
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Subject: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego
From: "'BMP' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M.
Puri Maharaja, Ph.D." <Online_Sadhu_Sanga at googlegroups.com>
Date: Fri, January 06, 2017 9:18 am
To: Online Sadhu Sanga <online_sadhu_sanga at googlegroups.com>
On Jan 4 2017 contact at howgravityworks.org wrote:
> "The reality we accept is a human construct.”(Deepak Chopra)
>I have observed that people do indeed create their own reality. Some even
are able to alter >others reality by their mere physical presence. The
problem I have with all of it is, all >their realities would seem to be
false.
REPLY
This seems to be as concise an assessment of the situation as any already
presented.
It is reasonable to say that individuals may have different interpretations
of reality, but in itself Reality is not simply a matter of being a human
construct or there would be no meaning to 'error,' 'mistake,' 'illusion,'
and so on. Indeed there would be no meaning to 'truth' as opposed to
untruth.
Human consciousness is limited to its body. An individual is conscious o
nly to the limits of its skin or surface. One may see a tree, or a star, or
a bat - but that same individual cannot know or be conscious of what it is
like to be a bat, as one recent American philosopher, Thomas Nagel, famously
announced in The Philosophical Review in October 1974.
A human being has direct consciousness of its body and of its thoughts, but
beyond that it has only representations (signs), images, or reflections (on
the mind's mirror) of the world outside its body. Human consciousness is
therefore NOT the consciousness of trees, stars, bats, or anything else. It
is conscious of other things beyond its
body, but not the consciousness of those things.
However, there is a consciousness of both individual human consciousness and
the other things/persons of which an individual may be conscious. That
universal consciousness is not only the consciousness of all Reality but
also the consciousness of itself, i.e. it is self-consciousness in and for
Itself. This universal self-consciousness is identical with itself as
Reality, since Reality is the manifestation or expression of itself as real
(being-for-other, or Otherness), while not losing its being-for-itself or
self-consciousness as its ideality or Self-Concept. Here we find the true
dynamic meaning of Advaita (non-duality), or the negation of dvaita
(duality). Reality as the Otherness of Universal Self-consciousness is
simultaneously Other (different from) yet identical (same as) universal Self
consciousness being the manifest determinateness of what Self-consciousness
is.
To strip Universal Self-consciousness of its Reality is to abstract
consciousness from its concrete Truth as Self-consciousness of Itself. In
other words, it is to end up with a one-sided mental abstraction from the
concrete or whole truth. There are two mistakes here: 1. not only is
Universal Self-consciousness abstracted from Its own Reality, but 2.
Self-consciousness is naievly reduced to consciousness which lacks the
integral unity essential to it (the Self or true Ego) - what Kant called the
unity of apperception.
These mistakes are the result of relying on contingent irrational intuitions
(instincts) without proper philosophical study or knowledge of the logical
necessity that governs the internal rationality of all thought sequences or
movement. Philosophers of Spirit have studied and reached rational
conclusions on the nature of consciousness and its ground in Spirit. Those
who ignore that body of knowledge are illiterate and can only be victimized
by their own conditioned instincts. That is not how human knowledge or
science advances.
When an image is reflected in a mirror, the image is not considered to be
the result of glass and silver of the mirror somehow acting to create the
image. The image has its orgin outside of the mirror and is made of
completely different stuff. A tree reflected in a lake is not made of water.
A radio playing back a broadcast it has received is not producing the
broadcast from itself. Each of these examples provide metaphors for how to
understand the difference between a reality outside of human consciousness
can be reflected within an individual's consciousness without being the
product of that consciousness.
At the same time Reality is not fixed in stone; it is not an inert slab or
impersonal substance. It does not exist only as a reflection within human
consciousness, nor as a product of human consciousness. Such ideas do not
pass the examination of rational thought. The idea that Reality is
Self-conscious Thinking Being in and for itself [Spirit/God] does not suffer
that defect. An individual is a finite moment or instantiation of Living
Reality that reflects that Reality immanently within its infinitesimal self
and can interpret or misinterpret it according to the extent of its
knowledge and wisdom.
Sincerely,
Bhakti Madhava Puri, Ph.D.
http://bviscs.org <http://bviscs.org/>
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Jan 4
"The reality we accept is a human construct.”(Deepak Chopra)
I have observed that people do indeed create their own reality. Some even
are able to alter others reality by their mere physical presence. The
problem I have with all of it is, all their realities would seem to be
false.
Being an electrical contractor my entire working life, I have observed the
following scenario; I am working in a large commercial building with a
thousand people sitting in cubicles with phones and computers.
There's everyone from CEO to janitor working there also.
Suddenly, "Boom" the electricity for the entire building goes out.
Until I can rush to the main distribution switchgear and restore power, they
all become totally useless.
If the power went out permanently, they would all be sitting around candles
chanting "Nam myoho renge kyo".
It's actually a frightening scenario to me. Some say, "Who would want to
live without electricity."
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